Alex Kane: Abandoned DUP left high, dry and mostly friendless

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I would disagree with the idea that forgiveness is not something a society should consider in relation to events that have occurred. Forgiveness is often the best way to deal with a "wrong".
You referenced the bible though. Forgiveness talked about by Christ was individual not collective.

You may be right about collective reconcilliation, but it's not really biblical.
 


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Time for a 2nd referendum on this crap. It can't keep going on like this with Parliament rejecting everything like clueless morons.
 

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Time for a 2nd referendum on this crap. It can't keep going on like this with Parliament rejecting everything like clueless morons.
How could this Parliament of MPs be trusted with another Referendum ?

They have proved themselves completely untrustworthy with the previous one .
 

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In the short term perhaps, in the medium term a no deal Brexit would end up settling the border question once and for all in favour of partition given all the opportunities it would open up and the fact that the South with it's sycophantic crawling submissiveness to the creepiest elements in Brussels is on an extremely self-destructive course.
No-the EU is little more than an advanced trading collective with pretensions towards being a federal state in the future which might or might not come about. Most of what EU countries do with each other is simply the logical extension of where modern life and understanding is driving us all and here in Europe, because it is split up into such distinct , smaller countries. it simply seems anomalous but it's not. A 'free' UK will find itself no more free than before and having to consider the wishes of others just as much because the world is now increasingly bound by rules.

Unfortunately for Irish unity the DUPs best efforts have failed to come to pass and it looks like the province is going to have a better Brexit than any one else in this neck of the woods with access to both the EU and UK markets. While this may well result in a more positive economic performance and with that an easing of the obstacles to unity it will also necessitate that people voting for unity will have to accept that special status which allows de facto membership of both unions will have to end as the UK becomes a foreign country. Why would any one want to do that? I think that Unionists would have to provoke them into it and sure that's not likely to ha... oh wait
 

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I see the DUP allies have been caught red handed with their stash.

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PSNI seize £65k worth of cocaine and cannabis linked to West Belfast UDA

They are big into this crap as well I see sir,,,,,,

 

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The protocol for the north (don’t call it the NI only backstop) is a clear loosening of the union. No longer can any politician claim the north is an integral part of the uk. It clearly is not.

We’ll see the all Ireland economy grow and converge year on year. Sooner or later the political set up will follow the economic.

No pity for the DUP. They went for brexit, then tried their best for a hard border and the reinforcement of partition. It’s blew up in their faces. They’ve accelerated a United ireland.

No matter if the deal isn’t passed this week, it will be when Boris wins his general election. The DUP will be back being an irrelevance at Westminster with no assembly in Belfast. After a couple of years on the main stage, the DUP will soon be outside the theatre.
The DUP, as usual, are playing this all wrong. Macau and Hong Kong are Special Administrative Regions of China where people from the ''mainland'' actually need visas to live. They have their own governments, laws, flags and even passports. But that doesn't mean they're not part of the PRC. The DUP could turn this situation to their advantage by arguing, "why give up the best of both worlds, full membership of the UK, an automatic right to Irish and EU citizenship and free access to the EU market". But instead they retreat into No Surrender.
 

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The DUP, as usual, are playing this all wrong. Macau and Hong Kong are Special Administrative Regions of China where people from the ''mainland'' actually need visas to live. They have their own governments, laws, flags and even passports. But that doesn't mean they're not part of the PRC. The DUP could turn this situation to their advantage by arguing, "why give up the best of both worlds, full membership of the UK, an automatic right to Irish and EU citizenship and free access to the EU market". But instead they retreat into No Surrender.
Ian Paisley even before he mellowed would have accepted this as at the end of the day he knew which side peoples bread was buttered on. Remember how NI beef was suddenly Irish when BSE became an issue? That was when the first regulatory boarder was put down the Irish sea if I'm not mistaken. Bit rich when the DUP use the argument time and time again that people in NI would be worse off as part of a UI when they were prepared to seriously risk .. no sacrifice the economic well being of everyone in NI for the sake of preserving their current roll in the not so united onion. Stinks of insecurity.
 
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Ian Paisley even before he mellowed would have accepted this as at the end of the day he knew which side peoples bread was buttered on. Remember how NI beef was suddenly Irish when BSE became an issue? That was when the first regulatory boarder was put down the Irish sea if I'm not mistaken. Bit rich when the DUP use the argument time and time again that people in NI would be worse off as part of a UI when they were prepared to seriously risk .. no sacrifice the economic well being of everyone in NI for the sake of preserving their current roll in the not so united onion. Stinks on insecurity.

They went against their own people in rejecting the EU and deserve everything coming down the line at them.

When their "policies" go pear shaped after Brexit their blame game needs to be challenged by everyone and expose the knuts for what they are.
 

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The DUP, as usual, are playing this all wrong. Macau and Hong Kong are Special Administrative Regions of China where people from the ''mainland'' actually need visas to live. They have their own governments, laws, flags and even passports. But that doesn't mean they're not part of the PRC. The DUP could turn this situation to their advantage by arguing, "why give up the best of both worlds, full membership of the UK, an automatic right to Irish and EU citizenship and free access to the EU market". But instead they retreat into No Surrender.
Agree entirely with this, the failure to recognise the potential economic benefits of being the bridge between the UK and the EU is beyond belief, they should be embracing such a situation and doing all they can to maximise the potential benefit for potential inward investors.
 

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Agree entirely with this, the failure to recognise the potential economic benefits of being the bridge between the UK and the EU is beyond belief, they should be embracing such a situation and doing all they can to maximise the potential benefit for potential inward investors.
but Dev its actually not beyond belief .. you know exactly why they're taking the position they're taking .. we all do
 

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The government has been urged to heed the warnings of the risk of civil disorder by loyalists in Northern Ireland because of the sense of betrayal they feel over Brexit.

The deputy leader of the Democratic Unionist party, Nigel Dodds, urged the government not to shrug off the impact of the Brexit deal on the unionist community.


The only people who lead "northern irealnd" to this outcome was the DUP!
 

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The government has been urged to heed the warnings of the risk of civil disorder by loyalists in Northern Ireland because of the sense of betrayal they feel over Brexit.

The deputy leader of the Democratic Unionist party, Nigel Dodds, urged the government not to shrug off the impact of the Brexit deal on the unionist community.


The only people who lead "northern irealnd" to this outcome was the DUP!

Disagree sir, the people in the political parties they voted for went against the wishes of the folk who voted for them.
 

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The only people who lead "northern irealnd" to this outcome was the DUP!
Indeed.
The DUP's next election tagline should read 'be careful what you wish for'.

They are finally being faced with the realisation that the mainland just doesn't want them.

The ease at which the mainland wants to draw the border in the Irish sea should be the turning point for Unionism.
They so desperately want to be part of a club that simply doesn't want them.

Do you think cabinet members like Alok Sharma, Sajid Javid or Priti Patel share anything in common with them ?
Unionist's Britain no longer exists.
 

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Indeed.
The DUP's next election tagline should read 'be careful what you wish for'.

They are finally being faced with the realisation that the mainland just doesn't want them.

The ease at which the mainland wants to draw the border in the Irish sea should be the turning point for Unionism.
They so desperately want to be part of a club that simply doesn't want them.

Do you think cabinet members like Alok Sharma, Sajid Javid or Priti Patel share anything in common with them ?
Unionist's Britain no longer exists.
The fact that unionism has elected the DUP over the UUP has left them with representatives such as sammy wilson.

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I don’t care about Co2 emissions to be quite truthful...I still think climate change is a manmade con."
Sammy Wilson, former MP for East Antrim, and former Northern Irish Assembly environment minister, who also said climate change campaigners views were a "hysterical pseudo-religion".
 

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Indeed.
The DUP's next election tagline should read 'be careful what you wish for'.

They are finally being faced with the realisation that the mainland just doesn't want them.

The ease at which the mainland wants to draw the border in the Irish sea should be the turning point for Unionism.
They so desperately want to be part of a club that simply doesn't want them.

Do you think cabinet members like Alok Sharma, Sajid Javid or Priti Patel share anything in common with them ?
Unionist's Britain no longer exists.
The could have Father Ted saying " Careful Now “ on their Election Posters !
 

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Indeed.
The DUP's next election tagline should read 'be careful what you wish for'.

They are finally being faced with the realisation that the mainland just doesn't want them.

The ease at which the mainland wants to draw the border in the Irish sea should be the turning point for Unionism.
They so desperately want to be part of a club that simply doesn't want them.

Do you think cabinet members like Alok Sharma, Sajid Javid or Priti Patel share anything in common with them ?
Unionist's Britain no longer exists.
they’re (unionists) like some weird sad stalker who simply wont take the hint ....
Sad
 

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They deserve the reprecussions for being so naive.

I suppose any political party set up by religious fundamentalists is going to have limited ability.
 


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