Alex Salmond accused of Sexual Harassment



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Sturgeon wasn't part of the conversation chains and there's nothing to suggest she was part of any conspiracy against him. You seem to be saying she should have treated Salmond differently to any other person with complaints against them, which is pretty dumb.

Complaints were made. Sturgeon ordered an investigation by the appropriate person. That person then completely botched the investigation, resulting in a huge payout to Salmond and contributing to the failed court cases, and contributing to the upcoming legal case by Salmond's.

Sturgeon's failure is not getting shot of Evans after the collapsed review.
I don't think Sturgeon acted inappropriately either way, but that merely narrow's things down to who was involved, but it doesn't explain why Salmond was targeted, so soon after his public announcement wrt getting involved with Indyref2.

There was unimpeached evidence to support a position that the alleged victim wasn't at a 4 person dinner where she said the assault occured.
What motivated, for example, Woman H to place herself at the dinner table?

Salmond did admit to enough stuff to make it clear he was using his position of power to treat the place as a knocking shop. SNP shouldn't go near letting him back in. Needs to grow up. Head down to a singles bar and see how the human version of Mr Toad does on his own merits without his title to support him. But that doesn't amount to criminal behaviour.
If they couldn't frame the man for rape, the SNP should punish him for misogyny? Alternatively, it would be interesting to see how far a lot of the people Murray referred to get on 'merit', if Salmond chooses not to see the bigger picture, and establishes a new party. Again, alternatively, it would be interesting to see how far a lot of the people Murray referred to get on 'merit', if Salmond chooses to see the bigger picture, and establishes a new organization.

A woman who Alex Salmond is accused of attempting to rape did not attend a dinner at his official residence on the night the incident is alleged to have happened, a witness has claimed.

Woman H has previously told the trial that Mr Salmond "pounced" on her after the dinner and took her clothes off.

Asked by defence lawyer Shelagh McCall QC whether she had seen Woman H at any point that night, Ms Barber replied: "No, I didn't." - BBC
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To accept the judgement of the court, based on the evidence, is to accept that she lied. There's no 'grey area' here. It's a deliberate attempt to frame someone, which will go unpunished. It was always going to vindicate Sturgeon at the expense of Salmond, or Salmond at the expense of Sturgeon, so a win-win for Unionists.

Very good report by Stuart Campbell.


He states that the tactics of the prosecution was to use the odious " Moorov Doctrine ", linked in the text. I am glad it is not part of our law you wouldn't need a Phd. to see how that could be abused...
Evans should have been fired. It's INSANE she was extended. That's the biggest black mark against Sturgeon in all this by far.
'But, but, but!' There just has to be a bit more, anything, something, beyond the details necessary to establish his innocence or guilt. You know the Man is lying to you, but you refuse to look beyond the 'black mark against Sturgeon', because the alternative reality is so bizarre in the extreme. As such, a self-evidential and blatant lie appears to have become a comforting truth. The idea that Cold War Military Intelligence tactics are being used by Bureaucrats from London, to influence the make-up of the future leadership of the largest Nationalist Party in Scotland, is both preposterous and frightening. Happens all the time..
 
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"I often wondered why Leslie Evans wasn’t sacked, but it didn’t necessarily mean that Nicola Sturgeon approved of her actions. The media always says that she, personally, chose Evans for the role. What they rarely mention is that, I believe, she was chosen by the FM from a short-list provided by the UK Civil Service."
Alex Salmond is Not Guilty – His Political Comeback is Assured

Before commenting on the entirely predictable acquittal of former First Minister of Scotland, Alex Salmond, on all 13 charges against him, which included attempted rape, sexual assault and indecent assault, at the High Court in Edinburgh on 23rd March it is absolutely necessary to remind ourselves of the context.

“If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck chances are it is a duck. Now replace duck with witch-hunt and you have the essence of the ‘sexual harassment’ case against Scotland’s former First Minister Alex Salmond”.

The above was the opening paragraph of an article I wrote about Alex Salmond and his Judicial Review victory in Scotland’s civil court last January. In a judgement handed out by the court an investigation into sexual harassment allegations against Mr Salmond was described as ‘unfair’, ‘biased’ and therefore ‘unlawful’. The judge said the investigation conducted against Mr Salmond was:

"Unlawful in respect that they were procedurally unfair and that they were tainted with apparent bias".

It was an investigation rigged against Alex Salmond and it fell apart at the seams once a spotlight was shone upon it. The whole embarrassing process cost the Scottish taxpayer in excess of £500,000 and I demanded last January that the two main civil servants involved should be issued with P45s and dismissed immediately:

“The reality is Leslie Evans and Judith Mackinnon, at least, were complicit in a biased, unfair and illegal investigation into Alex Salmond that was politically motivated and designed to ruin his reputation and standing. Nicola Sturgeon should be seeking the resignations of both these very senior civil servants and initiating a swift and focused public enquiry into the damaging press leaks which have occurred”.

“As many of you will know, there are certain evidence that I would have liked to have seen led in this trial, but for a variety of reasons we were not able to do so. At some point that information, that facts, and that evidence will see the light of day”

Sturgeon could be getting cooked if / when Covid-19 passes!
Perhap's that was alway's the ulterior motive? It's difficult to tell from a distance how deep it is, but the rot appears to be in the upper echelon's, so I think Salmond should try and form a Scottish Independence Congress and let the SNP sort itself out. As we know from Irish history and the failure to connect Labour to Republicanism between 1916-1918, failure to develop or form alliances at key junctures, can have long-term repercussions. Ultimately, a SIC should have the nuts and bolts of the Civil Service and its decision-making process under Scottish governorship worked out, as it should also be making a coherent argument in favor of Independence from framed policy documents. The fact that Woman H can't be placed at the dinner table, changes the nature of the accusations from the personal to the political. Effectively, that would mean Bureaucrats are trying to influence and manipulate the logistics of who governs through a smear campaign, which takes the issue beyond gender, civil justice and the pros and cons of Unionist and Nationalist ideology, to a point where the State is attacking the concept of self-government, civil administration and also interfering with the ability of its own citizens to self-regulate or make decisions for themselves. Unionists, I fear, don't fully appreciate what that also means for them, insofar as their support for the Union is incidental, depending of course on the source of the smear. The short-list mentioned above has a London stamp.
 

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“It’s important to support your claims with good arguments.”
In this case, it would've helped to support the claim with any argument, or a witness, rather than eye-contact, an accidental stroke of the hair, gossip and the “Moorov doctrine.”

And this was even though the decision was reached in another jurisdiction over which nobody in Dublin has any influence anyway.
Two men jailed for raping student in Co Donegal

"The woman told the trial that on a scale of one to 10 in terms of drunkenness, she was a 10 and about to pass out. A video clip shown during the trial showed the woman staggering around an apartment and later falling on the bathroom floor before the two men picked her up. The men took her into a bedroom where they raped her. The woman testified that she was “blind drunk” and could not and did not consent to any sexual activity.

In interview with gardaí, Opoku claimed that the woman was not too drunk to consent and alleged she was an enthusiastic participant. Osei denied having any sexual activity with the woman. Passing sentence on Monday, Mr Justice Alex Owens said he accepted that neither man set out to rape the woman. However, he said they were fully aware of her incapacitation due to her intoxication and were prepared to take advantage.

Opoku’s lawyer Colman Fitzgerald said his client had a “badly incorrect” view of what rape is and has at all times insisted he didn’t force the complainant."


I don't see how the incidents are comparable, but there seems to be more than a cultural difference between British and Irish law, insofar as 'incapacitation' and 'intoxication' are concerned. As former colonies, Ghanian and Irish law were built on English common law: The Treatment of Consent in Sexual Assault Law in Ghana and consent laws are stricter in Ghana, again, insofar as 'incapacitation' and 'intoxication' are concerned. Good effort from the brief to claim 'his client had a “badly incorrect” view of what rape is.'
 

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Did MI5 have any input into all this Political Assassination of Alex Salmond ? ?

Not necessarily. It's fair to say the story has a source and that there's a flaw in the law which enables people such as Woman H to make the claim she made, with no repercussions, on behalf of a second or third party..


What Only the Jury Knows - "This may not be popular to say, but I thought that the majority of the witnesses in this trial against Salmond came across as honest and credible. That is no judgement on the truth or otherwise of their evidence, but I don’t think anyone who listened to what they said, and how they said it, could simply dismiss it."


Alex Salmond trial witness denies making up attempted rape claim - "H told the court on Monday that Salmond attempted to rape her after a private dinner with a celebrity at Bute House in June 2014. She had not mentioned attending that dinner to police when she was first interviewed in September 2018."

The court heard that on 20 days that month he was not at Bute House in the evening, while on nearly every other evening, diaries and calendars showed he hosted events which were not relevant to H’s role in 2014.

McCall challenged H on her contacts with a senior SNP official, Ian McCann, and three other women after the Daily Record reported on 23 August 2018 that a Scottish government internal inquiry had upheld complaints from two women of inappropriate behaviour by Salmond.

H told the court she first approached McCann in late 2017 after the Harvey Weinstein allegations surfaced in the US and the #MeToo movement gained momentum. She did not specify what Salmond had done to her but warned McCann there had been incidents involving the former party leader.

In a text to another complainer two days after the Record story, H wrote: “I’m mulling too. But I have a plan. And means we can be anonymous but see strong repercussions.”

Challenged on what she meant, H said she and the other complainer “had discussed in the past issues around Mr Salmond’s behaviour”.


The problem here is that Woman H can't be placed at the dinner table.
 

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Did MI5 have any input into all this Political Assassination of Alex Salmond ? ?
No, and to suggest so is absurd.

He had already lost his seat and left the party by the time this blew up - what would be the point?
 

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No, and to suggest so is absurd.

He had already lost his seat and left the party by the time this blew up - what would be the point?
Perhaps he knew that some of the other SNP people / leaders are just going through the motions and are not really that interested in Scottish Independence. Perhaps some of them are on the payroll of MI5 ( would that not just be part of MI5’s job ). The idea that MI5 would not be working against Scottish Independence would be very naive.
 

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( would that not just be part of MI5’s job ).
No.
The idea that MI5 would not be working against Scottish Independence would be very naive.
No, it would be very stupid.

With the the ongoing terror threat from Islamic extremists and the far right, I assure you five have far bigger fish to fry than Alex Salmond or Scottish independence.

Even if you do believe such nonsense you have a great deal of gymnastics to perform explaining why accusing it's former leader, who had already lost his seat & since retired from politics, of sexual harassment would further such an operation.
 

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Perhaps he knew that some of the other SNP people / leaders are just going through the motions and are not really that interested in Scottish Independence.
No, and to suggest so is absurd.

He had already lost his seat and left the party by the time this blew up - what would be the point?
Whatever else is true or false, he clearly hadn't retired from politics and Woman H can't be placed at the all-important dinner table.

In a text to another complainer two days after the Record story, H wrote: “I’m mulling too. But I have a plan. And means we can be anonymous but see strong repercussions.”
What you're suggesting would require someone to be pulling the strings behind the scenes on behalf of Woman H, unbeknownst to the others, or to Woman H for that matter, whose agenda and motive appears to be personal. However, the failure to place Woman H at the dinner table shifts the motive from the personal to the political. How many people were aware they were being manipulated and blacklisted by the Intelligence Services via Youth Against Racism in Europe? In that case, the treasurer was pulling the strings, but that doesn't mean MI5 were pulling Woman H's strings. It means they are capable of manipulating victims of race hate crimes, criminalizing innocent workers and promoting people they perceive to be favorable to their way of doing things.
 

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Surely keeping the British Union as one Entity would be very high up on MI5’s Priorities.

They would surely have recruited some SNP notables.

The SNP are doing such a good job on damaging themselves with this that it is naive to believe that some MI5 nudging may not be involved ! !
 

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Surely keeping the British Union as one Entity would be very high up on MI5’s Priorities.
No. No it really isn't.
The SNP are doing such a good job on damaging themselves with this that it is naive to believe that some MI5 nudging may not be involved ! !
Political parties horrendously damage themselves with alarming regularity all the time.

Are five behind the Labour party anti Semitism, self harming fiasco that contributed to their disastrous election? Were five behind the Tory party cash for questions fiasco that contributed to Blairs first landslide?

These things happen to political parties - quite why you need a conspiracy theory to understand them is baffling.
 

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No. No it really isn't. Political parties horrendously damage themselves with alarming regularity all the time.

Are five behind the Labour party anti Semitism, self harming fiasco that contributed to their disastrous election? Were five behind the Tory party cash for questions fiasco that contributed to Blairs first landslide?

These things happen to political parties - quite why you need a conspiracy theory to understand them is baffling.
That was plainly the zionist lobby.
 

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So a High Priority of an Inteligence Agency in Britain is not being concerned about keeping what they consider to be their Country Together; Pull the other one. I put bells on it just for you.
 

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So a High Priority of an Inteligence Agency in Britain is not being concerned about keeping what they consider to be their Country Together; Pull the other one. I put bells on it just for you.
You're turning into a conspiraloon if you think Five would be involved in smearing a currently retired from politics, former leader of the SNP five years after a referendum.

And the idea of using civilians to do so is possibly the most ridiculous part of your theory - unless of course you are suggesting the women who came forward were all Five staff.
 

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You're turning into a conspiraloon if you think Five would be involved in smearing a currently retired from politics, former leader of the SNP five years after a referendum.

And the idea of using civilians to do so is possibly the most ridiculous part of your theory - unless of course you are suggesting the women who came forward were all Five staff.
One or Two could be in the employ of MI5. Its very naive to believe that MI5 do not have some highly placed people in Scotland in their employ. They would be neglecting their job by not doing so.
 

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One or Two could be in the employ of MI5. Its very naive to believe that MI5 do not have some highly placed people in Scotland in their employ. They would be neglecting their job by not doing so.
No - If anyone was going to be 'smeared' it would be the current leader or a significant backer or the like. Not the retired one from five years ago that left politics.

Your theory doesn't even pass the common sense.
 


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