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Alternativ für Deutschland slowly imploding



Tacitus

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If he is telling lies, and he is, then it should be easy to disprove his lies.
It is, but why bother? People like him don't care for the truth, since they consider the whole Holocaust a "conspiracy" they'll deem any evidence against them as forgery or faked. Behind this is often a different motivation, those people want to believe in a Jewish conspiracy, or want to prove that Germans (and the Nazis) really were not that bad.

The laws against hate speech and Holocaust denial are still relevant because they make it much harder for them to spread their lies to impressionable young people.

Btw. the German supreme court has decided that the case against the Sharia Police must be reopened.
 

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It is, but why bother? People like him don't care for the truth, since they consider the whole Holocaust a "conspiracy" they'll deem any evidence against them as forgery or faked. Behind this is often a different motivation, those people want to believe in a Jewish conspiracy, or want to prove that Germans (and the Nazis) really were not that bad.

The laws against hate speech and Holocaust denial are still relevant because they make it much harder for them to spread their lies to impressionable young people.

Btw. the German supreme court has decided that the case against the Sharia Police must be reopened.
The German supreme court is quite right. That's excellent news.
 

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The German supreme court is quite right. That's excellent news.
Yeah, looks like the lower court misapplied the appropriate legal standard. If I understand it correctly, the Federal Court of Justice ruled that the lower court should have examined the impact of the actions of the people wearing the vests on the public, instead of solely looking at the vests themselves. Makes sense that this would be the legal standard instead of merely examining the purported political uniform in a vacuum.
 

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Yeah, looks like the lower court misapplied the appropriate legal standard. If I understand it correctly, the Federal Court of Justice ruled that the lower court should have examined the impact of the actions of the people wearing the vests on the public, instead of solely looking at the vests themselves. Makes sense that this would be the legal standard instead of merely examining the purported political uniform in a vacuum.
Absolutely!
 

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German law is in a Denazification-era timewarp. These laws were invented by a generation that lived through the war, and continued to fear the inner Nazi in Germans would resurface if they were allowed to discuss ethnic issues. I think that danger has long since departed and the AFD are a conservative nationalist - but not Nazi - party. The speech codes need to be lessened to the levels seen in countries like Ireland
You're lying. Again. These laws weren't brought in to prevent discussion of issues relating to ethnicity nor do they ban discussion of issues related to ethnicity. They ban hate speech and serve to protect Germany's democracy from those who would seek to destroy it from within.

There's a big difference, but you know that. You just make a conscious choice to spout falsehoods.
 

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You're lying. Again. These laws weren't brought in to prevent discussion of issues relating to ethnicity nor do they ban discussion of issues related to ethnicity. They ban hate speech and serve to protect Germany's democracy from those who would seek to destroy it from within.

There's a big difference, but you know that. You just make a conscious choice to spout falsehoods.
It is also worth pointing out that a part of German society (those who lived in the former GDR) have much less experience with democracy. It is no coincidence, that scepticism towards democracy and racist tendencies are significantly more common among East Germans than in the West. Indications for this are the high level of violence against refugee and refugee shelters, and that the AfD gets most of their support from there. Most of their radical politicans are also from East Germany.
 

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It is also worth pointing out that a part of German society (those who lived in the former GDR) have much less experience with democracy. It is no coincidence, that scepticism towards democracy and racist tendencies are significantly more common among East Germans than in the West. Indications for this are the high level of violence against refugee and refugee shelters, and that the AfD gets most of their support from there. Most of their radical politicans are also from East Germany.
Another way of putting it would be that East Germans are not as cucked as West Germans.
 

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Should the thread title be changed to AfD imploding very very very slowly?
 

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Should the thread title be changed to AfD imploding very very very slowly?
I don't see how they can be imploding when they're on 14% in the polls. That's sounds like the opposite of imploding
 

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Should the thread title be changed to AfD imploding very very very slowly?
A bit like Angela trying to form a government . That’s one slow choo choo train . Angela's wheels may be going around but the Train ain’t moving .
 

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You'd only put it that way if you're a tedious c**t though.
Why are you not banned.Trolling threads and adding nothing except abuse. Can't believe you were a mod on this forum.
 

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It is also worth pointing out that a part of German society (those who lived in the former GDR) have much less experience with democracy. It is no coincidence, that scepticism towards democracy and racist tendencies are significantly more common among East Germans than in the West. Indications for this are the high level of violence against refugee and refugee shelters, and that the AfD gets most of their support from there. Most of their radical politicans are also from East Germany.
However, the AfD's leading lights are all from West Germany. Meuthen is from Essen in the Ruhr area, Weidel is from Gutersloh, also in Nordrhein-Westfalen, Maier is from Bremen but decamped to Saxony in search of self-advancement after the Wall came down, von Storch is the daughter of the Duke Of Oldenburg, hereditary ruler of one of the former duchies and Gauland, while born in Chemnitz, moved to West Germany as a teenager in 1959 ago before the Wall was erected.

Like the public school toffs Johnson, Rees-Mogg and Duncan Smith leading the Tory Brexiteers, the current AfD leadership (with the exception of Gauland), are socially far removed from the those who vote for them and all moved seamlessly from comfortable backgrounds into the academia/officialdom/finance circle that makes up Germany's establishment. Von Storch, a cousin of every serving and deposed crowned head of Europe, comes from impeccable Nazi pedigree, her grandfather being a minister in Hitler's government. To help herself up the the greasy pole, Weidel found herself a nice little number in that bastion of privileged opprtunity Goldman Sachs.

At least Petry had some claim to be a genuine Ossi, having grown up in Dresden before leaving for the West after the Wall came down. However, despite being the only AfD candidate to get elected to the Bundestag as a constituency representative, she wasn't far enough to the right for the tastes of the posh Wessi carpetbaggers who've been taking the party ever further to the extremes with each leadership heave. Come to think of it, the same could be said for the more respectable SS types who took over the Nazis once the less polished Stormtroopers were disposed of during the Night of the Long Knives.
 
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However, the AfD's leading lights are all from West Germany
I said that most of their radical politicians like Höcke are from the East, and those have been gaining more and more influence during the last year. And leading politicians like Gauland were candidates in East Germany where they most of their sympathizers during the last federal election.

Otherwise you are correct.

Another way of putting it would be that East Germans are not as cucked as West Germans.
No, they have not yet been cured from their exposure to totalitarian dictatorships. It might be too late for some of them to reconsider, but there children will learn.
 

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I said that most of their radical politicians like Höcke are from the East, and those have been gaining more and more influence during the last year. And leading politicians like Gauland were candidates in East Germany where they most of their sympathizers during the last federal election.

Otherwise you are correct.



No, they have not yet been cured from their exposure to totalitarian dictatorships. It might be too late for some of them to reconsider, but there children will learn.
I would say East Germans still have their balls and a sense of what it is to be German. Merkel thinks anybody can be a German.
 

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I would say East Germans still have their balls and a sense of what it is to be German. Merkel thinks anybody can be a German.
The ideas of the East Germans of what a German defines might have been en vogue until 1945, but is now thankfully just the opinion of a tiny but vocal minority.

And of course everybody can be German if he is willing to embrace our values and norms.
 

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The ideas of the East Germans of what a German defines might have been en vogue until 1945, but is now thankfully just the opinion of a tiny but vocal minority.
AfD just happens to have 92 seats in your federal parliament along with 1 MEP. That's more than a tiny but vocal minority. Surely you recognise their democratic rights or would you want AfD and similar banned?
 

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So is Merkel likely to be able to form a coalition or even a minority government or is Germany heading to the polls again?
 

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