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Ambulance Service or Lack of it?


Ulster-Lad

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I think it is time for people to be concerned about the ambulance service in this country. The problem is getting worse. I just read of a boy in East Cork that died. He was driven to hospital after being advised that no ambulance was available as the only other one was on a call out at the time. An ambulance may not have saved him but it would have given the public solace to know that everything was done to try to save him.

GAA star blasts HSE for not sending ambulance to aid of dying toddler - Independent.ie

No this is not the first such incident in recent times. There have been others where the Gardai have been forced to drive the patient or the ambulance.

Staff shortage leads to Garda driving injured child to hospital in ambulance | Irish Examiner

‘GARDA HAD TO DRIVE AMBULANCE DUE TO STAFF SHORTAGE’ – COUNCILLOR | Donegal Daily

We are seriously passed time to reflect and determine what our values are and what we want and deserve from our health system.
 
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Dylan2010

the wheels are coming of the cart. No problem getting an ambulance in D4 land but it seems like if you live outside the pale your on your own. I bet if a minister was going to a race meeting there would be a helicopter on standby. Much more inportant I guess than doing all you can to save the life of a youngster.
 

Spanner Island

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Unfortunately this is what happens when front line services are slashed in order to keep management and bureaucracy going...

There's very simple answers to all of this...

Compulsory redundancies when and where they are needed would go a long way to avoiding this... as opposed to the early retirement and voluntary redundancy bullsh!t that has been indulged until now... All this has resulted in is the loss of the best (who have prospects elsewhere) and those with the most experience...

Or we could all pay even more taxes and charges... which is probably what will happen... because neither the government nor the people have the balls to stand up to vested interests in all sectors and including the state sector...
 

Ulster-Lad

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Unfortunately this is what happens when front line services are slashed in order to keep management and bureaucracy going...

There's very simple answers to all of this...

Compulsory redundancies when and where they are needed would go a long way to avoiding this... as opposed to the early retirement and voluntary redundancy bullsh!t that has been indulged until now... All this has resulted in is the loss of the best (who have prospects elsewhere) and those with the most experience...

Or we could all pay even more taxes and charges... which is probably what will happen... because neither the government nor the people have the balls to stand up to vested interests in all sectors and including the state sector...
Agreed. I am not blaming the ambulance service for this or any frontline staff for the matter. No, the blames lies squarely with the government and in particular Dr. Reilly.
 
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Spanner Island

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Agreed. I am not blaming the ambulance service for this or any frontline staff for the matter. No, the blames lies squaring with the government and in particular Dr. Reilly.
Don't forget the unions either...

They've a lot to answer for too... for the part they've played in all of this...
 
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Dylan2010

Agreed. I am not blaming the ambulance service for this or any frontline staff for the matter. No, the blames lies squaring with the government and in particular Dr. Reilly.
Reilly is only responsibile for his budget so he is part of the problem, but everyone that bleats about protecting the foreign aid budget or maintianing defense spending , shelling out on carbon credits or sinking money into RTE, here is a small example of the payback....so thank you all the quangos and state paid workers who work but dont provide anything useful, we can all sleep at little less easily in our beds tonight pondering what basic service will fail when we want to use it.
 

nakatomi

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Problem with reconfiguration, is that when you close smaller emergency departments, journey times and demands for ambulances go up.

For example someone with out a car in Mallow could have gotten a friend or taxi to drop them to Mallow general before it closed, now they are more likely to call an ambulance because the nearest A&E is in Cork.
 

Destiny's Soldier

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What is bizzare is that Midleton is about a 20 min drive by Ambulance to Cork University Hospital. It is dual carrigeway all the way. It might take 30 mins by Car having to stop at traffic lights etc. I could do it in 20 no problem.

If a place like Midleton doesn't have a functioning emergency service there is no hope for the remainder of the country.

The fact the 999 responder on the phone said to move the child to Southdoc from scene of the fall is absolutely against the rules of first aid. By doing so that child risked possible spinal injury. As it happens the child is now dead but it goes to show once again, that people in authority cannot be trusted.
 
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Dylan2010

What is bizzare is that Midleton is about a 20 drive by Ambulance to Cork University Hospital. It is dual carrigeway all the way. It might take 30 mins by Car having to stop at traffic lights etc. I could do it in 20 no problem.

If a place like Midleton doesn't have a functioning emergency service there is no hope for the remainder of the country.

The fact the 999 responder on the phone said to move the child to Southdoc from scene of the fall is absolutely against the rules of first aid. By doing so that child risked possible spinal injury. As it happens the child is now dead but it goes to show once again, that people in authority cannot be trusted.
there is such a protocol for RTA's , falling out of a building is basically the same thing.
 

Ulster-Lad

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What is bizzare is that Midleton is about a 20 min drive by Ambulance to Cork University Hospital. It is dual carrigeway all the way. It might take 30 mins by Car having to stop at traffic lights etc. I could do it in 20 no problem.

If a place like Midleton doesn't have a functioning emergency service there is no hope for the remainder of the country.

The fact the 999 responder on the phone said to move the child to Southdoc from scene of the fall is absolutely against the rules of first aid. By doing so that child risked possible spinal injury. As it happens the child is now dead but it goes to show once again, that people in authority cannot be trusted.
Agreed 100%, but the child was apparently moved twice due to the unavailability of an ambulance by the concerned citizen. First from the scene and then from the SouthDoc.
 

Ulster-Lad

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Problem with reconfiguration, is that when you close smaller emergency departments, journey times and demands for ambulances go up.

For example someone with out a car in Mallow could have gotten a friend or taxi to drop them to Mallow general before it closed, now they are more likely to call an ambulance because the nearest A&E is in Cork.
Hard to argue with that.
 

Blossie

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An elderly person in this area (in the sticks of county kerry) had a heart attack and was waiting almost an hour for an ambulance. Even at top speed and assuming an ambulance is available in the first place it would take half an hour for an ambulance to get here. I must ask all my relatives to wait until they happen to be in the vicinity of Kerry General hospital before they have a heart attack/accident/or life threatening illness.
 

zakalwe1

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this is a fkn joke....

we pay a huge amount for our health services but it gets eaten up on HSE pr/marketing/hr depts.

we should have 24hr clinics in every town over a certain size with the aircorp helos available to bring a casualty from one of those to a major hospital if required.
and yes, i would pay extra taxes to pay for this.....if the govt would slash the HSE by 50% and divert the money to the front line.
 

White Horse

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Slash pay in the HSE by 20% and use the money to increase services.

The HSE is there for the benefit of patients and ill people not employees.
 

Mushroom

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Slash pay in the HSE by 20% and use the money to increase services.

The HSE is there for the benefit of patients and ill people not employees.
Will you tell Liam Doran that or shall I?
 

SeanieFitz

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Unfortunately this is what happens when front line services are slashed in order to keep management and bureaucracy going...

There's very simple answers to all of this...

Compulsory redundancies when and where they are needed would go a long way to avoiding this... as opposed to the early retirement and voluntary redundancy bullsh!t that has been indulged until now... All this has resulted in is the loss of the best (who have prospects elsewhere) and those with the most experience...

Or we could all pay even more taxes and charges... which is probably what will happen... because neither the government nor the people have the balls to stand up to vested interests in all sectors and including the state sector...
you sound like James "Beardy" Reilly, he said the same thing at the FG Ard Fheis preceding the GE, much to the delight of the sweaty, red faced, well fed party faithful. He promised compulsory redundancies if elected...............

The HSE employs over 100,000 people, 67,000 directly with the remainder employed by agencies funded by the HSE and there has been a reduction of 22,300+ WTE (whole time equivalents) over the past few years.

How many would you suggest should go under, how did you put it Compulsory redundancies when and where they are needed would go a long way to avoiding this... as opposed to the early retirement and voluntary redundancy bullsh!t that has been indulged until now
 

SeanieFitz

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Slash pay in the HSE by 20% and use the money to increase services.

The HSE is there for the benefit of patients and ill people not employees.
The employees are an essential, integral and vital part of the HSE
 

freewillie

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Don't forget the unions either...

They've a lot to answer for too... for the part they've played in all of this...
If you had your blueshirt way nurses would be getting minimum wage while your specialist pals and Law Library cronies would cream it.
 
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