American Civil War and Trump

Shiloh

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In the Guardian today Trump is lambasted over his interpretation of the American Civil War.(https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/01/donald-trump-civil-war-cause-andrew-jackson).

After the usual attempts to ridicule Trump the learned Guardian writer one Tom McCarthy states :

"The civil war was fought over slavery – the enslavement in the United States of African Americans – and related territorial, economic and cultural struggles"

That's it the Guardian telling us what is true tied up in a nice neat bow. I had thought that slavery only really became an issue in the American Civil War in 1863 after Lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation which was largely a tactical decision based on military reasons.

Trump is like a guy you'd meet in a bar. He may not have all the facts but his gut feeling informs his interpretations. He will also come back later (after the next pint probably) to clarify. I am beginning to warm to him and as for the Guardian..............................
 


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In the Guardian today Trump is lambasted over his interpretation of the American Civil War.(https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/01/donald-trump-civil-war-cause-andrew-jackson).

After the usual attempts to ridicule Trump the learned Guardian writer one Tom McCarthy states :

"The civil war was fought over slavery – the enslavement in the United States of African Americans – and related territorial, economic and cultural struggles"

That's it the Guardian telling us what is true tied up in a nice neat bow. I had thought that slavery only really became an issue in the American Civil War in 1863 after Lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation which was largely a tactical decision based on military reasons.

Trump is like a guy you'd meet in a bar. He may not have all the facts but his gut feeling informs his interpretations. He will also come back later (after the next pint probably) to clarify. I am beginning to warm to him and as for the Guardian..............................
Yes. Let's make a guy you meet in a bar president of the United States. He doesn't need things like facts or education when he has intestines.
 

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When a great man goes senile the evidence is difficult to ignore. When an idiot becomes senile its harder to identify.
 

Shiloh

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Stick to the facts folks.

Was the American Civil War fought over slavery - I don't think so.
 

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Stick to the facts folks.

Was the American Civil War fought over slavery - I don't think so.
We all know that the Civil War 1829-1837 was fought over the refusal to allow Andrew Jackson to join the Jackson 5.
 

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Stick to the facts folks.

Was the American Civil War fought over slavery - I don't think so.
Slavery was the key cause and the election of Lincoln was the spark that set off seccession. Lincoln's prime aim was to restore the union but slavery had divided the U.S. from the beginning.
 

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Stick to the facts folks.

Was the American Civil War fought over slavery - I don't think so.
its clearly the main reason the South wanted to secede , the North invaded the South to maintain the Union and not as a moral crusade to help Black people. Wasn't it Abe that suggested they go back to Africa?
It would be interesting to read all the material taught in schools?
 

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The key cause according to Doris Goodwin (Team of Rivals) was economic expansion into the west. The North were envious of the power of the South to expand westwards with access to unlimited supply of free labour. There was no moral repugnance in the north to slavery just economic envy.
 

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You can put as much lipstick on that pig as you like
 

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Interestingly enough the North was beginning to acquire access to very cheap labour in the years preceding the war. This labour however was Irish who the establishment considered inferior both physically and mentally to African/American slaves (they were also Catholic). There is a passage in Doris Goodwins book where she describes the dawning realisation of Lincoln's cabinet that if they free the slaves and give them the vote then they will also have to give the Irish the vote.
 

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Nobody seems to be missing Hilary though....

She was a bad choice for the democrats . If you can't beat Trump then you are a bad choice......

There was a very poor choice of Candidates if Trump can beat them all .

The establishment politicians have become detached from the interests of ordinary people.....They do not understand the needs and wishes of ordinary people......

If they do not learn this can end badly......Its the political establishment that need to understand why Donald Trump beat them......
 

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Interestingly enough the North was beginning to acquire access to very cheap labour in the years preceding the war. This labour however was Irish who the establishment considered inferior both physically and mentally to African/American slaves (they were also Catholic). There is a passage in Doris Goodwins book where she describes the dawning realisation of Lincoln's cabinet that if they free the slaves and give them the vote then they will also have to give the Irish the vote.
A little more info on that please?
You suggest that the US in the 1860's allowed German and Scandinavian immigrants citizenship (and therefore the vote) but not Irish?


Here's a link for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall
 

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Nobody cares. It's the economy stupid. If he get's people working and able to provide for their families he'll be a success. These and other stupid comment he makes matter not a jot.
 

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Is there going to threads started for everything Trump says or does from now on, Obama also said and done things how many threads were started about him.
 

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Is there going to threads started for everything Trump says or does from now on, Obama also said and done things how many threads were started about him.
But but but Obama was cool ya'll.
 

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The media are actually twisting his words ,in this instance, to create a specific narrative. It is so obvious to anyone with a clue that it actually works in Trumps favour.

If he is given long enough he will actually do something that they can latch onto, but it's as if the media can't wait for that and instead will just jump on anything he says and create a drama about it.
 


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