American Civil War, part 2?

Marcos the black

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More and more I'm hearing of the possibility that the US is heading irreversibly towards a civil war:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/22/american-politics-civil-war-alt-right-left-wing

The Simple Reason Why A Second American Civil War May Be Inevitable | Zero Hedge

https://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2017/08/18/americas-second-civil-war-n2370179

Is America Heading for a Civil War? - Quillette

And there are many many more now actually talking about the possibility. Certainly Trump isn't helping matters, although some see Bannon's removal as being a step away from the far right.
To me, having visited the US multiple times, as late as earlier this year, I find it hard to believe that it could actually come to this.
There are divisions, plenty of them, there is huge poverty in the US, political extremes, race tensions etc... If a civil war was to happen, what would be the implications for the rest of the world? For Ireland?
I honestly don't see it happening, but maybe people in the US are frustrated with everything and maybe their leaders are sleep walking into one.
What do you think? Could it happen?
 
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More and more I'm hearing of the possibility that the US is heading irreversibly towards a civil war:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/22/american-politics-civil-war-alt-right-left-wing

The Simple Reason Why A Second American Civil War May Be Inevitable | Zero Hedge

https://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2017/08/18/americas-second-civil-war-n2370179

Is America Heading for a Civil War? - Quillette

And there are many many more now actually talking about the possibility. Certainly Trump isn't helping matters, although some see Bannon's removal as being a step away from the far right.
To me, having visited the US multiple times, as late as earlier this year, I find it hard to believe that it could actually come to this.
There are divisions, plenty of them, there is huge poverty in the US, political extremes, race tensions etc... If a civil war was to happen, what would be the implications for the rest of the world? For Ireland?
I honestly don't see it happening, but maybe people in the US are frustrated with everything and maybe their leaders are asleep walking into one.
What do you think? Could it happen?
Now it's clear why Putin helped Trump. It fits right into his geopolitical agenda.
 

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Strange that this OP appeared just as I was reading an article by Colbert I. King, a respected public servant and commentator in the Washington Post. He references some of the articles the OP lists and concludes that there's an agenda at work. Well worth a read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-charlottesville-comments-were-just-another-distraction/2017/08/18/97e6d106-8365-11e7-902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ba30147c23c2
 

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The statue issue is reminscent of the flag-controversy in NI.
 

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[video=youtube;4ugxDcxczxM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ugxDcxczxM[/video]
 

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More and more I'm hearing of the possibility that the US is heading irreversibly towards a civil war:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/22/american-politics-civil-war-alt-right-left-wing

The Simple Reason Why A Second American Civil War May Be Inevitable | Zero Hedge

https://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2017/08/18/americas-second-civil-war-n2370179

Is America Heading for a Civil War? - Quillette

And there are many many more now actually talking about the possibility. Certainly Trump isn't helping matters, although some see Bannon's removal as being a step away from the far right.
To me, having visited the US multiple times, as late as earlier this year, I find it hard to believe that it could actually come to this.
There are divisions, plenty of them, there is huge poverty in the US, political extremes, race tensions etc... If a civil war was to happen, what would be the implications for the rest of the world? For Ireland?
I honestly don't see it happening, but maybe people in the US are frustrated with everything and maybe their leaders are asleep walking into one.
What do you think? Could it happen?
Good , can we make sure both sides have nukes.
 

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TV has been sh!t so should be entertaining.
 

Marcos the black

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Strange that this OP appeared just as I was reading an article by Colbert I. King, a respected public servant and commentator in the Washington Post. He references some of the articles the OP lists and concludes that there's an agenda at work. Well worth a read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-charlottesville-comments-were-just-another-distraction/2017/08/18/97e6d106-8365-11e7-902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.ba30147c23c2
Thanks for the link, I hadn't seen it before, but more and more outlets are talking about this as being a possibility... I think the tone of the conversations have changed since Trump got elected.
 

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More and more I'm hearing of the possibility that the US is heading irreversibly towards a civil war:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/22/american-politics-civil-war-alt-right-left-wing

The Simple Reason Why A Second American Civil War May Be Inevitable | Zero Hedge

https://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2017/08/18/americas-second-civil-war-n2370179

Is America Heading for a Civil War? - Quillette

And there are many many more now actually talking about the possibility. Certainly Trump isn't helping matters, although some see Bannon's removal as being a step away from the far right.
To me, having visited the US multiple times, as late as earlier this year, I find it hard to believe that it could actually come to this.
There are divisions, plenty of them, there is huge poverty in the US, political extremes, race tensions etc... If a civil war was to happen, what would be the implications for the rest of the world? For Ireland?
I honestly don't see it happening, but maybe people in the US are frustrated with everything and maybe their leaders are sleep walking into one.
What do you think? Could it happen?
Nothing to do with Trump. Remember everyone predicting it when Obama was elected. It's a media driven thing, They've sunk that low.
 

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The statue issue is reminscent of the flag-controversy in NI.
With the same sort of fascist lunatics objecting to democratic change.

[video=youtube;-M7xAGvBqdc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M7xAGvBqdc[/video]
 

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Nothing to do with Trump. Remember everyone predicting it when Obama was elected. It's a media driven thing, They've sunk that low.
True to an extent. But referring back to that article by Colbert I. King in the WaPo, he argues that in this this case it's being orchestrated by the right to prepare Trump supporters for the "greatest witch-hunt ever" when Mueller prosecutes Trump.

The right-wing media, stoked by Trump, is telling the audience — and the mob lurking within — that Mueller’s investigation is cover for bringing the president to his knees.

Thus the campaign against Mueller. Thus Trump’s effort to bring the special counsel into contempt and sow disrespect for the investigation. Thus Trump’s attempt to allow himself, and himself alone, to determine whether he is accountable under the law, and when, if ever, the interest of justice should be served.

Sickened by Trump’s accommodation of hatred in Charlottesville? Consider his attempted undermining of the Justice Department-approved special-counsel probe —nothing less than the rule of law is at stake.
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With the same sort of fascist lunatics objecting to democratic change. ]
John Mitchel who knew both places wrote clearly that Black slaves in Dixie were in an Earthly Paradise compared to Gaelic Catholic tenant farmers in the South of Ireland. I believe every situation should be judged on it's own merits.
 

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I don't think it will go that far but there is little doubt that the US is a very divided society and will remain so for many decades to come. The GOP leadership are clearly increasingly alarmed by Trump's erratic behavior and for the first time I now think impeachment is a possibility. However, apart from sparking some short-term unrest among white nationalists, this will not significantly change the underlying situation. Mike Pence is not exactly a liberal......!

The division is geographical as well as political. The GOP now dominates all branches of the federal govt and well over 30 of the states. They are likely to hold on to the House in 2018 and to increase their majority in the Senate in 2018. There is therefore little short-term chance of the Dems regaining power and even a Dem president elected in 2020 would be paralysed like Obama was.

In this scenario, the liberal enclaves on the west coast, the north-east and east coast, and some other scattered urban centres, may increasingly ignore the federal govt and paddle their own canoe as far as possible (we see a bit of this already in the 'sanctuary cities' issue). There would probably be significant long-term population movements between the conservative and liberal states as people settle in areas more welcoming to their standpoints (this is already happening to some extent)

The federal nature of the US was to in many ways structured to deal with this scenario, so it seems to me that a looser, 'divided' States is indeed likely, but civil war (even given the level gun ownership) - nah.
 

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Except there were no Nazi's.
So people wanting to wipe out Catholics are fine but say naughty stuff about the Jews and that is a problem?

People are dead because of "Father Ted" but you are fine with that because it was only Catholics and Nordie ones at that who were murdered.
 

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More and more I'm hearing of the possibility that the US is heading irreversibly towards a civil war:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/22/american-politics-civil-war-alt-right-left-wing

The Simple Reason Why A Second American Civil War May Be Inevitable | Zero Hedge

https://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2017/08/18/americas-second-civil-war-n2370179

Is America Heading for a Civil War? - Quillette

And there are many many more now actually talking about the possibility. Certainly Trump isn't helping matters, although some see Bannon's removal as being a step away from the far right.
To me, having visited the US multiple times, as late as earlier this year, I find it hard to believe that it could actually come to this.
There are divisions, plenty of them, there is huge poverty in the US, political extremes, race tensions etc... If a civil war was to happen, what would be the implications for the rest of the world? For Ireland?
I honestly don't see it happening, but maybe people in the US are frustrated with everything and maybe their leaders are sleep walking into one.
What do you think? Could it happen?
I think it is not even remotely possible. A democratic break-up is more likely especially as the Republicans keep winning the presidency on a minority of the votes. The tail can only wag the dog for so long and this time the Democratic majority was so significant that if I was a Democrat from a rich state like New York or Washington supporting the lazy, gun-toting spongers from the red states, I'd be determined to change the system or, alternatively to break free of them.
 


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