American Presidents and Links to Organised Crime.

General Urko

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I just saw the documentary on our national broadcaster which strongly suggested Ronnie Reagan was beholding to organised crime and stopped investigations once he became president.

It has been said that JFK turning on the mob, is what led to his demise as they had helped him get elected.

LBJ had also engaged in irregular voting patterns in his earlier days.

Nixon also had apparently some links as well.

Is it almost inevitable that you will come across these buckos on your way to the highest office there?

https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/ronald-reagan-30004768/10753897/

Dark Victory: RONALD REAGAN, MCA AND THE MOB by Dan E. Moldea (Viking: $18.95; 382 pp., illustrated) - latimes

JFK and the mob -

Was Kennedy Tied to the Mob? - Killing Kennedy Article - National Geographic Channel

LBJ and election fraud -

How Johnson Won Election He'd Lost - NYTimes.com

Nixon and the mob -

The Mob's President: Richard Nixon's Secret Ties to the Mafia Crime Magazine

Reagan and the mob -

President Ronald Reagan helped by MAFIA to get to White House | Daily Mail Online

And collaboration with The Italian Mafia in WW2 -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_between_the_United_States_government_and_Italian_Mafia

That time when the Mafia almost fixed the Democratic National Convention
 


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Sorry Mods, I meant to place this in The History Forum, I'm only after waking up!
 

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I just saw the documentary on our national broadcaster which strongly suggested Ronnie Reagan was beholding to organised crime and stopped investigations once he became president.

It has been said that JFK turning on the mob, is what led to his demise as they had helped him get elected.

LBJ had also engaged in irregular voting patterns in his earlier days.

Nixon also had apparently some links as well.

Is it almost inevitable that you will come across these buckos on your way to the highest office there?

https://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/ronald-reagan-30004768/10753897/

Dark Victory: RONALD REAGAN, MCA AND THE MOB by Dan E. Moldea (Viking: $18.95; 382 pp., illustrated) - latimes

JFK and the mob -

Was Kennedy Tied to the Mob? - Killing Kennedy Article - National Geographic Channel

LBJ and election fraud -

How Johnson Won Election He'd Lost - NYTimes.com

Nixon and the mob -

The Mob's President: Richard Nixon's Secret Ties to the Mafia Crime Magazine

Reagan and the mob -

President Ronald Reagan helped by MAFIA to get to White House | Daily Mail Online

And collaboration with The Italian Mafia in WW2 -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborations_between_the_United_States_government_and_Italian_Mafia

That time when the Mafia almost fixed the Democratic National Convention
but, but where is Trump????
 

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Surely a casino operator would have no links or connection with organised crime. (Cough).
 

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If you can't find the History forum, try the bin. The admin are banning posters. Fab2 was genuine, banned
It's a very genuine thread seeking posts on the links between US Presidents and the Mob from a historical perspective, it's not an anti Trump thread, who in fairness is the democratically elected (according to the college rules) President of The States, whether we like it or not, indeed his opponent couldn't even win her own demographic - white women! Indeed Clinton was quite comprehensively beaten in Bill's old state - Arkansas - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Arkansas,_2016
 

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Yes but in a popularity contest between Hilary Clinton and a damp casino-owning Wookie in the current era of entertainment Mrs Clinton's real enemy was that she was boring and predictable.

We live in an era when out of about eight people on a reality TV show the one with the psychological compulsion to shout the word 'c*nt' every few sentences actually won a nationally televised popularity competition.

It is 'entertain or die' and Clinton is from the packaged generation and was therefore too boring and obvious a cypher for the Washington beltway institutions so found it an uphill climb against a casino-owning Wookie with a trophy wife and a vague if repetitive strapline which contained an uncosted feelgood message of 'making American great again'.

What was Clinton's USP or strapline? She didn't have either so she lost.
 

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But going back to the organised crime links I suppose it comes down to how you define organised crime.

I would be astonished if a casino operator in the US had never encountered the traditional organised crime syndicates in some way, shape or form even if only in the way of casino employee unions. It is the one industry practically guaranteed to host organised crime in some way.

Even if only in the supply of a 'good time' for the temporary high-roller in terms of escort agencies and a network of drug suppliers that come with the casino business like fleas on a dog.
 

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Yes but in a popularity contest between Hilary Clinton and a damp casino-owning Wookie in the current era of entertainment Mrs Clinton's real enemy was that she was boring and predictable.

We live in an era when out of about eight people on a reality TV show the one with the psychological compulsion to shout the word 'c*nt' every few sentences actually won a nationally televised popularity competition.

It is 'entertain or die' and Clinton is from the packaged generation and was therefore too boring and obvious a cypher for the Washington beltway institutions so found it an uphill climb against a casino-owning Wookie with a trophy wife and a vague if repetitive strapline which contained an uncosted feelgood message of 'making American great again'.

What was Clinton's USP or strapline? She didn't have either so she lost.
Again, this is not what this thread is about!
That contest was between the 2 most hated people in that country, Clinton came across as an odious individual! Practically any main stream candidate from The Democrats, saunders (mind you, he's not mainstream democrat) certainly and if they could run, Slick Willy and Obama would have clearly beaten Trump in the popular vote and in the all important electoral college!
 

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But going back to the organised crime links I suppose it comes down to how you define organised crime.

I would be astonished if a casino operator in the US had never encountered the traditional organised crime syndicates in some way, shape or form even if only in the way of casino employee unions. It is the one industry practically guaranteed to host organised crime in some way.

Even if only in the supply of a 'good time' for the temporary high-roller in terms of escort agencies and a network of drug suppliers that come with the casino business like fleas on a dog.
Actually a freind of mine runs a casino in Galway and there ain't anything like that there!
 

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This must be achieving some sort of record for derailed threads!
 

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There's always been a massive overlap in the US between organised crime and what people today call 'the deep state'. The US is hardly unusual in this. China, Japan, Russia, Italy... all the same.
 

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Well the distance between investment banking and organised crime has generally only been separable by a day at the races but in the last thirty years in particular the investment banks have begun to look like the asset management arm of the Russian mafia and the American drug cartels.
 

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There's always been a massive overlap in the US between organised crime and what people today call 'the deep state'. The US is hardly unusual in this. China, Japan, Russia, Italy... all the same.
Tom Gilmartin famously likened FF to the mafia. Said they were worse.
 

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i think Christopher Hitchens put it best ..

[video=youtube;VYmyMJ0H6DQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYmyMJ0H6DQ[/video]

"JFK thought he could deal with dirty people use them and walk away"
 

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The Mob had their tentacles into everything in America for a large part of the 20th century.

Even Trump had to deal with the Mob in the 70's/80's to source his cement for his building projects.
 


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