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An Ambassador to the Vatican? Eh why?


DJP

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I know there is a God I don't believe in one. I went to a CBS and if I have kids I will probably send them to Catholic Church ethos schools. Although I agree that the option should be made available for a lot more schools to change their patronage. I have a cousin who is a priest. I only know a couple of priests, my cousin included, and yes they are nice and I have met priests over the years who are sound and I have huge respect and admiration for them. But I don't see why the Vatican deserves an Ambassador from our country. As Fianna Fáil believe. Although the Catholic Church has reformed a lot I still think there is still a good way to go before they deserve an Ambassador from our country.

Government rejects FF call to reinstate ambassador to Vatican - The Irish Times - Fri, Mar 01, 2013
 
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Have we an Ambassador in Salt Lake city? Do we have official diplomatic channels open with the Sikh's, the Sunni's, the Hindu's, the Buddhists, the Amish etc etc or is it just one of the medieval churches that should get a dedicated ambassador?

Or did we have an Ambassador in the Vatican because it's really another country and therefore important for trade agreements ands joint international security arrangements, visa for visitors etc?

Or isn't the very notion of a modern secular government having some diplomatic link to a relgious group a momumental absurdity in itseelf? And we laugh at DeVelara kissing the archbishops ring back in the old days!
 

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And all the Bishops in their Palaces and Priests in their Parochial Houses will pay no property taxes and probably no water taxes etcs. as they are charities!
 

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The Vatican has diplomatic links to most of the countries in the world. We don't. And we can chose diplomatic links through the UK, US or other EU countries. Having the Vatican diplomatic connection was very useful and it was closed for ill informed reasons. It should reopen when the new head of State is "elected". (Using Rome as a dual base is as unacceptable as countries using London to cover Ireland).
 

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The Vatican has diplomatic links to most of the countries in the world. We don't. And we can chose diplomatic links through the UK, US or other EU countries. Having the Vatican diplomatic connection was very useful and it was closed for ill informed reasons. It should reopen when the new head of State is "elected". (Using Rome as a dual base is as unacceptable as countries using London to cover Ireland).
"Unacceptable" to a "country" the size of Limerick City? I can live with that...
BTW, we do have representation in the UN where we can meet with reps from every state on the planet.
What, apart from lotsa lace and brocade, does the Vatican offer?
 

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"Unacceptable" to a "country" the size of Limerick City? I can live with that...
BTW, we do have representation in the UN where we can meet with reps from every state on the planet.
What, apart from lotsa lace and brocade, does the Vatican offer?
It's a great place for tips on how to cover up paedophilia and other scandals especially sexual ones and banking.
 

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Didn't they get rid of this anomaly?

Probably no real saving as it sounds like half of RTE are currently over there.
 

Gurdiev

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The irish are well represented within the Catholic Church worldwide.
The Church is a serious power broker.. Ireland is a very small player on the international stage. Isn't it wise to have diplomatic links where we can ?
 

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Have we an Ambassador in Salt Lake city? Do we have official diplomatic channels open with the Sikh's, the Sunni's, the Hindu's, the Buddhists, the Amish
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None of the above, as far as I know , have the same hierarchical power structure as the CC.

I abandoned Catholicism As a teenager, and would have been very anti religion in my youth.
Know I recognise that humanity has a deep seated need for spiritual nurture , and many find comfort in religious groups. This has nothing to do with the existence or not of God.
The CC exists , it's huge , it's powerful, and it's certainly not in decline. It makes sense to have diplomatic links.
 

Vega1447

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The irish are well represented within the Catholic Church worldwide.
The Church is a serious power broker.. Ireland is a very small player on the international stage. Isn't it wise to have diplomatic links where we can ?
So nothing to do with the See of Peter or the triple tiara or the patrimony of Abraham or the City State of God or any of that stuff then?

Just "The Church is a serious power broker"..

Quick, we need an Embassy to Goldman Sachs....
 

Victor Meldrew

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The Vatican has diplomatic links to most of the countries in the world. We don't. And we can chose diplomatic links through the UK, US or other EU countries. Having the Vatican diplomatic connection was very useful and it was closed for ill informed reasons. It should reopen when the new head of State is "elected". (Using Rome as a dual base is as unacceptable as countries using London to cover Ireland).
The Vatican has undue influence in diplomatic circles for the same reason as it has had a malignant influence on our state since inception.

It is, effectively, a Colonial Empire. If more countries ignored it, it will go away.

We do not have huge interests in countries which are still in thrall to the Vatican, and where, otherwise, there is scant Irish influence.

We can ignore this subversive, criminal, amoral little Polonious.
 

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So nothing to do with the See of Peter or the triple tiara or the patrimony of Abraham or the City State of God or any of that stuff then?

Just "The Church is a serious power broker"..

Quick, we need an Embassy to Goldman Sachs....
But they are Jews, we don't like Jesus killers, we much prefer to champion terrorist states.....................
 

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I know there is a God I don't believe in one. I went to a CBS and if I have kids I will probably send them to Catholic Church ethos schools. Although I agree that the option should be made available for a lot more schools to change their patronage. I have a cousin who is a priest. I only know a couple of priests, my cousin included, and yes they are nice and I have met priests over the years who are sound and I have huge respect and admiration for them. But I don't see why the Vatican deserves an Ambassador from our country. As Fianna Fáil believe. Although the Catholic Church has reformed a lot I still think there is still a good way to go before they deserve an Ambassador from our country.

Government rejects FF call to reinstate ambassador to Vatican - The Irish Times - Fri, Mar 01, 2013
The Catholic Church is the largest organisation in the world with well over a billion members including a lot in Ireland. It's an important organisation and one that it's good to have relations with.

At that I have no great issue with our Italian ambassador covering the Vactian too.
 

Rocky

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The Vatican has diplomatic links to most of the countries in the world. We don't. And we can chose diplomatic links through the UK, US or other EU countries. Having the Vatican diplomatic connection was very useful and it was closed for ill informed reasons. It should reopen when the new head of State is "elected". (Using Rome as a dual base is as unacceptable as countries using London to cover Ireland).
I can't say I have any great issues with using London to cover Ireland. Inevitably due to our size every state won't think it's worthwhile to have an embassy in Ireland and vice versa. However thankfully due to the fact that the UK steps in to represent Irish citizens where we don't have an embassy, we have an embassy we can go to in nearly every country in the world.
 

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So nothing to do with the See of Peter or the triple tiara or the patrimony of Abraham or the City State of God or any of that stuff then?

Just "The Church is a serious power broker"..

Quick, we need an Embassy to Goldman Sachs....
If the connection is only about religious belief, then why would we need an 'ambassador ' haven't we plenty of connections through the Irish clergy ?
 

Gurdiev

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"Unacceptable" to a "country" the size of Limerick City? I can live with that...
BTW, we do have representation in the UN where we can meet with reps from every state on the planet.
What, apart from lotsa lace and brocade, does the Vatican offer?
Apart from the brocade and red shoes, it's offers links to an idealgolical cultural group of one (?) billion or so .
 
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