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An end to all deportations, and human rights for all


Concerned Irishman

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Anti-Deportation Ireland launch « Consider the Tea Cosy

Was reading this from earlier on in the month. It lays out in what I believe to be very clear language the dilemma facing asylum seekers here, who because of the constant threat of deportation and the system of direct provision are not afforded the same rights we have come to expect as human beings.

It seems we have two classes of personhood in this State. If we make the assertion, as we often do, that we have a collective respect for the rights of humans, when how can we allow people who come here fleeing some of the worst regimes in the world to be treated this way? We deny them education, certainty, community, privacy and security - we even deny them the possibility of working and contributing in our State.

Surely this situation cannot continue. Surely we cannot condone the taking of children from their beds in the middle of the night for the purposes of deportation? Surely we cannot tolerate the State degrading human beings into a sub-human category, and treating them as such?
 

Disillusioned democrat

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Country is broke...we can hardly sustain human "rights" for our own without pretending we can provide for others. Let's see where we are in 5 years and maybe then consider this.
 

Ulster-Lad

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Yawn, is that you Don??
 

Concerned Irishman

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Country is broke...we can hardly sustain human "rights" for our own without pretending we can provide for others. Let's see where we are in 5 years and maybe then consider this.
We're already providing for them while they wait for the decision, and this can take years - years where we have to pay for their hostel use etc. Surely it would be less of a burden to let them try to find work or education - presumably if successful they will be paying taxes instead of languishing on a sub-human asylum system...
 

tirnacrann

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Anti-Deportation Ireland launch « Consider the Tea Cosy

Was reading this from earlier on in the month. It lays out in what I believe to be very clear language the dilemma facing asylum seekers here, who because of the constant threat of deportation and the system of direct provision are not afforded the same rights we have come to expect as human beings.

It seems we have two classes of personhood in this State. If we make the assertion, as we often do, that we have a collective respect for the rights of humans, when how can we allow people who come here fleeing some of the worst regimes in the world to be treated this way? We deny them education, certainty, community, privacy and security - we even deny them the possibility of working and contributing in our State.

Surely this situation cannot continue. Surely we cannot condone the taking of children from their beds in the middle of the night for the purposes of deportation? Surely we cannot tolerate the State degrading human beings into a sub-human category, and treating them as such?
Perhaps we should concentrate on ending the forced deportation of up to 100, 000 of our young people every year by order of inda and the blueshirts first ?
 

Fritzbox

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We're already providing for them while they wait for the decision, and this can take years - years where we have to pay for their hostel use etc. Surely it would be less of a burden to let them try to find work or education - presumably if successful they will be paying taxes instead of languishing on a sub-human asylum system...
Or we could just speed up the deportation process, and not waste everyone's time.
 

DanBreen

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Your having a laugh, twitters for twits.
We're already providing for them while they wait for the decision, and this can take years - years where we have to pay for their hostel use etc. Surely it would be less of a burden to let them try to find work or education - presumably if successful they will be paying taxes instead of languishing on a sub-human asylum system...
No, it would be less of a burden to rent a few ships and send these bullsh1tters home.
 

Concerned Irishman

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Perhaps we should concentrate on ending the forced deportation of up to 100, 000 of our young people every year by order of inda and the blueshirts first ?
Why do I need to be in favour of the mass emigration of our young people due to economic circumstances to be against our flawed and racist asylum system? It's a false dichotomy. People trapped in the asylum system can help aid our economic recovery
 

Ulster-Lad

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Why do I need to be in favour of the mass emigration of our young people due to economic circumstances to be against our flawed and racist asylum system? It's a false dichotomy. People trapped in the asylum system can help aid our economic recovery
Sure they can, by going home. ;)
 

Concerned Irishman

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Sure they can, by going home. ;)
And I suppose that's what should have been said to our people, when they fled religious persecution and the famine for far-off shores? We have very short memories indeed!
 

Ulster-Lad

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And I suppose that's what should have been said to our people, when they fled religious persecution and the famine for far-off shores? We have very short memories indeed!
Yes I do. If they are illegally in another country they should be deported.
 

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sport02

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Anti-Deportation Ireland launch « Consider the Tea Cosy

Was reading this from earlier on in the month. It lays out in what I believe to be very clear language the dilemma facing asylum seekers here, who because of the constant threat of deportation and the system of direct provision are not afforded the same rights we have come to expect as human beings.

It seems we have two classes of personhood in this State. If we make the assertion, as we often do, that we have a collective respect for the rights of humans, when how can we allow people who come here fleeing some of the worst regimes in the world to be treated this way? We deny them education, certainty, community, privacy and security - we even deny them the possibility of working and contributing in our State.

Surely this situation cannot continue. Surely we cannot condone the taking of children from their beds in the middle of the night for the purposes of deportation? Surely we cannot tolerate the State degrading human beings into a sub-human category, and treating them as such?
Watch a few episodes of Border Force UK and when any of these asylum seekers are refused stay they go on the
run and don't respect British law.

And when caught working illegally they suddenly don't have a passport, they're told
to report to local police station and end up going walkies.

We're in a recession here in Ireland, in my book they do not come under
priority status whatsoever.
 

tigerben

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It's the amount of appeals that are taken, and false information of which country of origin are causing the delays. But of course it's all the irish states fault ! Things should be speeded up and and for every citizenship ceremony Shatter is at, a plane load of deportations should be taken place. Maybe then the Irish people would see that it's a two way street, and not just handing out citizen ship like handing out sweets on Halloween night. How many more quangos/do gooders organisations do asylum seekers need?????
 

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Vega1447

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No State can allow or does allow unrestricted immigration.


If Ireland chose to do so it would be the destination of choice for unlimited numbers of poor people making the entirely rational decision to come here to improve their prospects.

Unfortunately unlimited immigration would result in unlimited demand for schools, medical services, welfare payments...
 
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