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An MEPs Pay per year Basic €105,000 p.a. , Allowances €300,000 p.a., Expenses €120,000 p.a.

brughahaha

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And don't forget the MINIMUM €210,000 severance package , and the free Pension at 63 that they have contributed NOTHING towards
2/3 of medical expenses are also covered and reimbursed for all MEPs (only a small perk by comparison to the Marie Antoinette levels above)

BTW the expenses and allowances are tax free , now of course they exceed the thresholds Revenue would allow for such things , so only Tax free at those amounts for MEPs not us Plebs




The top claimant over the past five years has been Fine Gael MEP and European Parliament vice-president, Mairead McGuinness, who received €709,625 in allowances and reimbursements.

And people aree going to actually vote, give up time in their day to go select someone to climb aboard this obnoxious gravy train while the actual taxpayers get to wait on Hospital Trolleys or sit dreaming of an affordable home.

As I said before , the electorate are gobsh!tes
 
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I disagreed with you on the pay for elected mayors but you are entirely correct on this, for the job MEPs do the payments in total plus the pensions etc. are outrageous.
 

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We laugh at the quality of British politics but we're going to end up with utter buffoons representing us in Brussels - Sean Kelly, Maria Walsh, etc
 

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We laugh at the quality of British politics but we're going to end up with utter buffoons representing us in Brussels - Sean Kelly, Maria Walsh, etc
Why do we need anyone representing us at all? (since Brussels doesn't pay any attention to our views anyway)

#rerunyourreferendumsuntilwegettherightresult
 

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Interestingly, the usual Europhile posters are no where to be seen when it comes to the EU gushes-of-gravy train.



Or perhaps they'll be along in a while?;)
 

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The EPP group has repeatedly blocked attempts to reform the system. They also blocked a compulsory register of members interests. The EP only has a voluntary one of those.
 

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Where are all the p.ie Europhiles dashing to any thread that dares criticise their 'master' project?

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All. That. GRAVY.
 

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The salaries and pensions are probably in line with what you need to attract capable people and are also broadly in line with remuneration packages for European politicians.

The problem areas are things like daily allowances - surely the salary is paid for turning up at the workplace?

The idea of un-vouched expenses is mad - even the most assiduous and honest MEP will be suspected of milking the system.

MEPs should not be travelling business class unless it is a long (6+ hours) flight for business purposes.
 

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The EPP group has repeatedly blocked attempts to reform the system. They also blocked a compulsory register of members interests. The EP only has a voluntary one of those.

Oh it's worse than that ...the ECJ have deemed its none of Journalists or the paying Publics business how much of their money MEPs are voraciously grabbing ...Pay but don't ask any questions is the way the EU and its institutions works
 

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The salaries and pensions are probably in line with what you need to attract capable people and are also broadly in line with remuneration packages for European politicians.

The problem areas are things like daily allowances - surely the salary is paid for turning up at the workplace?

The idea of un-vouched expenses is mad - even the most assiduous and honest MEP will be suspected of milking the system.

MEPs should not be travelling business class unless it is a long (6+ hours) flight for business purposes.
You think Poland Hungary Romania Latvia etc etc etc pay their TDs 105,000 ?

An Irish TD doesnt earn 105,000 so I doubt very much if its "in line with what you need to attract capable people and are also broadly in line with remuneration packages for European politicians."

And given the chaos it seems to be in I would question whether they are particularly capable ....and the list of Irish candidates would suggest the calibre isnt improving any time soon
 

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You think Poland Hungary Romania Latvia etc etc etc pay their TDs 105,000 ?

An Irish TD doesnt earn 105,000 so I doubt very much if its "in line with what you need to attract capable people and are also broadly in line with remuneration packages for European politicians."

And given the chaos it seems to be in I would question whether they are particularly capable ....and the list of Irish candidates would suggest the calibre isnt improving any time soon
As for the first part - let me Google that for you:

Lower House- Member's monthly basic gross salary (does not include bonus, or other advantages)

  1. Italy: € 10 435
  2. Austria: € 10 134
  3. Germany: € 9 082 (6 times Minimum Wage)
  4. Denmark: € 7835
  5. Netherlands: € 7481 (10 times Minimum Wage)
  6. United Kingdom: € 7 394 (6 times Minimum Wage)
  7. Ireland: € 7 271 (5 times Minimum Wage)
  8. Belgium: € 7 172 (5 times Minimum Wage)
  9. France: € 7 143 (5 times Minimum Wage)
  10. Luxembourg: € 6 739 (3.4 times Minimum Wage)
  11. Sweden: € 6 574
  12. Finland: € 6 407
  13. Greece: € 5 135 (7.5 times Minimum Wage)
  14. Cyprus: € 3 936
  15. Portugal: € 3 624 (6.5 times Minimum Wage)
  16. Estonia: € 3 439 (10 times Minimum Wage)
  17. Slovenia: € 3 419 (4.3 times Minimum Wage)
  18. Spain: € 2 814 (3.7 times Minimum Wage)
  19. Croatia: € 2 719 (6.7 times Minimum Wage)
  20. Lithuania: € 2 532 (8.7 times Minimum Wage)
  21. Latvia: € 2 448 (7.6 times Minimum Wage)
  22. Czech Republic: € 2 433 (7.4 times Minimum Wage)
  23. Hungary: € 2 412 (7 times Minimum Wage)
  24. Poland: € 2 230 (5.8 times Minimum Wage)
  25. Slovakia: € 1 961 (5.6 times Minimum Wage)
  26. Malta: € 1 811 (2.4 times Minimum Wage)
  27. Bulgaria: € 1 526 (8.8 times Minimum Wage)
  28. Romania: € 1 195 (6.3 times Minimum Wage)
So the salary is close enough to the salary of an Irish TD. And when you take into account the number of TD who get additional pay for ministerial or committee appointments there are in fact very few TDs surviving on the "minimum wage".

I would think that it is appropriate that all members of the EP should receive the same pay, if you think otherwise feel free to offer a rationale.

As for chaos, most of that is in your head.
 

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As for the first part - let me Google that for you:

Lower House- Member's monthly basic gross salary (does not include bonus, or other advantages)

  1. Italy: € 10 435
  2. Austria: € 10 134
  3. Germany: € 9 082 (6 times Minimum Wage)
  4. Denmark: € 7835
  5. Netherlands: € 7481 (10 times Minimum Wage)
  6. United Kingdom: € 7 394 (6 times Minimum Wage)
  7. Ireland: € 7 271 (5 times Minimum Wage)
  8. Belgium: € 7 172 (5 times Minimum Wage)
  9. France: € 7 143 (5 times Minimum Wage)
  10. Luxembourg: € 6 739 (3.4 times Minimum Wage)
  11. Sweden: € 6 574
  12. Finland: € 6 407
  13. Greece: € 5 135 (7.5 times Minimum Wage)
  14. Cyprus: € 3 936
  15. Portugal: € 3 624 (6.5 times Minimum Wage)
  16. Estonia: € 3 439 (10 times Minimum Wage)
  17. Slovenia: € 3 419 (4.3 times Minimum Wage)
  18. Spain: € 2 814 (3.7 times Minimum Wage)
  19. Croatia: € 2 719 (6.7 times Minimum Wage)
  20. Lithuania: € 2 532 (8.7 times Minimum Wage)
  21. Latvia: € 2 448 (7.6 times Minimum Wage)
  22. Czech Republic: € 2 433 (7.4 times Minimum Wage)
  23. Hungary: € 2 412 (7 times Minimum Wage)
  24. Poland: € 2 230 (5.8 times Minimum Wage)
  25. Slovakia: € 1 961 (5.6 times Minimum Wage)
  26. Malta: € 1 811 (2.4 times Minimum Wage)
  27. Bulgaria: € 1 526 (8.8 times Minimum Wage)
  28. Romania: € 1 195 (6.3 times Minimum Wage)
So the salary is close enough to the salary of an Irish TD. And when you take into account the number of TD who get additional pay for ministerial or committee appointments there are in fact very few TDs surviving on the "minimum wage".

I would think that it is appropriate that all members of the EP should receive the same pay, if you think otherwise feel free to offer a rationale.

As for chaos, most of that is in your head.
So after claiming MEPs pay was broadly in line with remuneration packages for European politicians."

you then post a list that shows only 6 out of 27 countries payn their TDs the same or more ....Maths not your strong point is it :rolleyes:

As for the chaos , been asleep for the last 10 years `and missed these EU highlights have you
the euro fiasco and the EUs inability to sort it out ?
The migration crisis the EU couldnt cope with ?
the growth of anti EU parties in EVERY election in every EU country ?
the moribund nature of the EU , cant go forward with federalisation , wont go back to giving member states more power even acknowledged by lunatics like Verhofstadt ?
Brexit ?

Try Google again maybe 🤣

and then enjoy an election in which over 50% of the EU electorate will show their disinterest in the EU by not voting and 30% of the remaining 45-48% will vote against the EU

You're right Ted, its in fine fettle 🤣
 

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As for the first part - let me Google that for you:

Lower House- Member's monthly basic gross salary (does not include bonus, or other advantages)

  1. Italy: € 10 435
  2. Austria: € 10 134
  3. Germany: € 9 082 (6 times Minimum Wage)
  4. Denmark: € 7835
  5. Netherlands: € 7481 (10 times Minimum Wage)
  6. United Kingdom: € 7 394 (6 times Minimum Wage)
  7. Ireland: € 7 271 (5 times Minimum Wage)
  8. Belgium: € 7 172 (5 times Minimum Wage)
  9. France: € 7 143 (5 times Minimum Wage)
  10. Luxembourg: € 6 739 (3.4 times Minimum Wage)
  11. Sweden: € 6 574
  12. Finland: € 6 407
  13. Greece: € 5 135 (7.5 times Minimum Wage)
  14. Cyprus: € 3 936
  15. Portugal: € 3 624 (6.5 times Minimum Wage)
  16. Estonia: € 3 439 (10 times Minimum Wage)
  17. Slovenia: € 3 419 (4.3 times Minimum Wage)
  18. Spain: € 2 814 (3.7 times Minimum Wage)
  19. Croatia: € 2 719 (6.7 times Minimum Wage)
  20. Lithuania: € 2 532 (8.7 times Minimum Wage)
  21. Latvia: € 2 448 (7.6 times Minimum Wage)
  22. Czech Republic: € 2 433 (7.4 times Minimum Wage)
  23. Hungary: € 2 412 (7 times Minimum Wage)
  24. Poland: € 2 230 (5.8 times Minimum Wage)
  25. Slovakia: € 1 961 (5.6 times Minimum Wage)
  26. Malta: € 1 811 (2.4 times Minimum Wage)
  27. Bulgaria: € 1 526 (8.8 times Minimum Wage)
  28. Romania: € 1 195 (6.3 times Minimum Wage)
So the salary is close enough to the salary of an Irish TD. And when you take into account the number of TD who get additional pay for ministerial or committee appointments there are in fact very few TDs surviving on the "minimum wage".

I would think that it is appropriate that all members of the EP should receive the same pay, if you think otherwise feel free to offer a rationale.

As for chaos, most of that is in your head.
This is an envy thread so you're wasting your time posting facts.
 

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Oh it's worse than that ...the ECJ have deemed its none of Journalists or the paying Publics business how much of their money MEPs are voraciously grabbing ...Pay but don't ask any questions is the way the EU and its institutions works
But who will pay MEP's salaries and pensions if EU collapses?
 

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This is an envy thread so you're wasting your time posting facts.
yes querying over half a million per year per MEP plus pay offs plus free pensions is all about envy .......anybody who doesn't think its fine and dandy is just jealous ......you're definitely Hammer, its the particular strain of stupidity that gives you away


Still angry and hurting over getting your arse spanked on the Mayors thread I see🤣 🤣 🤣
 

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So after claiming MEPs pay was broadly in line with remuneration packages for European politicians."

you then post a list that shows only 6 out of 27 countries payn their TDs the same or more ....Maths not your strong point is it :rolleyes:

As for the chaos , been asleep for the last 10 years `and missed these EU highlights have you
the euro fiasco and the EUs inability to sort it out ?
The migration crisis the EU couldnt cope with ?
the growth of anti EU parties in EVERY election in every EU country ?
the moribund nature of the EU , cant go forward with federalisation , wont go back to giving member states more power even acknowledged by lunatics like Verhofstadt ?
Brexit ?

Try Google again maybe 🤣

and then enjoy an election in which over 50% of the EU electorate will show their disinterest in the EU by not voting and 30% of the remaining 45-48% will vote against the EU

You're right Ted, its in fine fettle 🤣
If you knew a little maths you would understand the difference between median and mean.

The salary of an MEP is close to the average salary of European politicians.

As for the issues you cite, they are real, the EU is not Utopia. But it has achieved something that has never before been seen in Europe. There has been no war between EU members in almost 80 years, and that is a prize worth fighting for.

The petty nationalists who would break up Europe will need a new enemy after that, and who better than the old enemy next door. The collapse of the EU, if driven by nationalist agendas, will inevitably take Europe back to bloodbath, history shows us that no other outcome is possible.

There is a common European philosophy, history and outlook. Stretching from Lisbon to Yekaterinburg and from Tromso to Valetta, well beyond the borders of today's EU. I hope and expect that the EU will grow into that space and stand with the US and China.
 

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If you knew a little maths you would understand the difference between median and mean.

The salary of an MEP is close to the average salary of European politicians.

As for the issues you cite, they are real, the EU is not Utopia. But it has achieved something that has never before been seen in Europe. There has been no war between EU members in almost 80 years, and that is a prize worth fighting for.

The petty nationalists who would break up Europe will need a new enemy after that, and who better than the old enemy next door. The collapse of the EU, if driven by nationalist agendas, will inevitably take Europe back to bloodbath, history shows us that no other outcome is possible.

There is a common European philosophy, history and outlook. Stretching from Lisbon to Yekaterinburg and from Tromso to Valetta, well beyond the borders of today's EU. I hope and expect that the EU will grow into that space and stand with the US and China.

Oh Dear

When in a hole best to stop digging

Speaking of knowing a little maths The Mean of those salaries is about €5000

The Median is €3800

in both cases far far far under your contention of €7957 , over twice the median and 50% above the mean o_O

So , to clarify you claiming MEPs pay was broadly in line with remuneration packages for European politicians is utter total factual horsesh!te by any definition

As for peace in Europe ..a claim often cited by particularly dumb and fanatical Europhiles ...Its utter historical nonsense of course .The reason for peace has far more to do with the fact that every European country was pot-less with out the means to wage war and anyway couldn't fart without permission from either the US/Nato or USSR depending .

Mind you still didnt stop the colonialists in France and the UK waging wars across the globe and a few others were happy to grab on to the US's coat tails in various wars when they were allowed ...but you keep telling yourself simplistic fairy stories if it makes you feel better.

As for common European philosophy , history and outlook ...Please feel free to tell me those common traits ireland has with say Croatia ...or Hungry ...or even Italy , never mind our common experience in colonialism with France Holland Germany and the UK , only we were the colonised while they exported colonialism ..... yes exactly the same shared heritage alright ..or to be factual , a completely contrived ridiculous constructed narrative that doesn't bear 30 seconds examination

Oh and finally, I presume you stayed at home last year while the rest of us celebrated the freedoms and democracy we Irish enjoy courtesy of the sacrifice of some "petty nationalists"

Priceless :rolleyes:

(P.S a good clue that your on the completely wrong track is when your getting likes from Baron von Biffo!! 😀😀😀)
 
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Speaking of knowing a little maths The Mean of those salaries is about €5000
The Median is €3800
I thought you'd fall for it - and boy did you - hook, line and sinker!

This is a great example of how to get numbers ar$eways!

The average salary of European politicians is the total of all of the salaries of European politicians divided by the total number of European politicians.

So there are 630 Italians each earning €10435 (and 709 in the Bundestag, 650 in the House of Commons and 577 in the French National Assembly, all in the upper third of salaries) but only 67 Maltese earning €1811.

The rest of your post is equally flawed.

If the cap fits.....

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I thought you'd fall for it - and boy did you - hook, line and sinker!

This is a great example of how to get numbers ar$eways!

The average salary of European politicians is the total of all of the salaries of European politicians divided by the total number of European politicians.

So there are 630 Italians each earning €10435 (and 709 in the Bundestag, 650 in the House of Commons and 577 in the French National Assembly, all in the upper third of salaries) but only 67 Maltese earning €1811.

The rest of your post is equally flawed.

If the cap fits.....

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It's probably more a case of an extreme instance of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
 


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