Angela -- Frau Merkel

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Perhaps, given the mess Merkel has made of things, we should start to refer to her on P.ie as "Blunderwoman".
Judging by opinion polls, she would still be re-elected at a canter, with only Schulz rivalling her in popularity.
 


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Merkel as a problem solver has been a disaster.

Every problem, eventually morphed into an all out crisis under her guidance.

Her starting point was that Schroeder implemented the Hartz IV reforms which revived German competitiveness. She then followed this up by lecturing the rest of Europe that they all needed to do the same, whilst she stood proudly over the resilts as if they were her achievent. What marketing genius would talk down to customers and insult them into wanting to buy from the competition. To say nothing of ruining their ability to purchase again by overwhelming them with debt.

Greece should have been allowed to default and start again. Instead it was given a murderous austerity program and more debt. And then more debt.

Ireland likewise
, which is an achievement of statistical fudge over necessary internal realignment.

She also took Germany's history of having good relationships with all it's neighbours and destroyed that also.

Her treatment of Cameron was master class of how to not play your part in a critical bilateral relationship.

Until it reached the point that Britain opted out of the Merkel dominated EU decision making blunder machine.

Needless to say, in her push for more power in central decision making bodies in Europe she has avoided the urgent need to examine their current ( abysmal ) performance.

Could they find anybody worse ?
You correctly list her trail of destruction: zombifying the periphery economies, ultimately wrecking the EU edifice ...
But you fail to draw the glaring conclusion.
Merkel is no "Krisenkanzlerin" - crisis [management] chancellor - she's a "Kriegskanzlerin", a war chancellor. This has been the basis of her wild popularity in Germany. She is leading Germany into a hegemonic position in a post-EU Europe.
Translate that into current politics and it's obvious: Germany isn't leading Europe, it is looting Europe (this time via the Euro).
The OP is ineffably naive.
Funny thing is, say this to Germans directly, they don't deny it beyond a minute or two (QED: poster Tacitus is a fake German).
But say it to your average citizen in Germany's shell-shocked hinterland and they say you're being "anti-German".
One understands why people are in denial but God it gets boring.
 

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He's right, as the CSU is historically separate due to a post-war response to Bavarian particularism. Immediately after WWII, the major party in the Land was the Bayernpärtei, who were essentially the equivalent of the SNP. The CSU stole their electoral clothes by equally playing to Bavarian regionalism and Catholic values, so, as mentioned, the CSU could expand by appealing to Catholic Germans, but the CDU couldn't survive in the region.
I disagree. There are places where traditional Christian Democrats don't feel represented by the CDU as it is now, but they tend to have too jaundiced feelings about Bavaria to plump for them instead.
 

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You correctly list her trail of destruction: zombifying the periphery economies, ultimately wrecking the EU edifice ...
But you fail to draw the glaring conclusion.
Merkel is no "Krisenkanzlerin" - crisis [management] chancellor - she's a "Kriegskanzlerin", a war chancellor. This has been the basis of her wild popularity in Germany. She is leading Germany into a hegemonic position in a post-EU Europe.
Translate that into current politics and it's obvious: Germany isn't leading Europe, it is looting Europe (this time via the Euro).
The OP is ineffably naive.
Funny thing is, say this to Germans directly, they don't deny it beyond a minute or two (QED: poster Tacitus is a fake German).
But say it to your average citizen in Germany's shell-shocked hinterland and they say you're being "anti-German".
One understands why people are in denial but God it gets boring.
You are that guy who constructed his own reality regarding Greece and the Euro crisis. It is not surprising seeing you do the same with Germany.
 

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Schäuble is indeed the only politician in the CDU who could succesfully overthrow Merkel. There were rumours at the height of the refugee crisis that some CDU politicians asked him to stage a coup against her, but he refused because of two reasons: Firstly Merkel had been very loyal to him, and supported him when he fell ill in 2010 due to a complication of the wound he received during an assassination attempt that left him in a wheel chair. He offered his resignation, but she told him to take his time to recover. Secondly, he probably did not want to go down in history as a queen slayer, which brings us to Merkel's biggest advantage: She is still very popular among Germans. Of course, her popularity has declined, but you have to put that in context: Merkel had for a time the highest approval ratings of any German chancellor in the history of Germany. Compared to that, her ratings have dropped, but more than half of the Germans still approve of her. That is more than enough to be reelected.



This is your opinion, but I assure you that is not what most Germans think about her. She is seen as "Krisenkanzlerin", as someone who is very good at dealing with crises. And if you look at it objectively, that is not without justification:

Despite many predictions, the Euro still exists. That countries like Greece are still in trouble is viewed as their own fault, since they chose political mavericks like Varoufakis and Tsipras as leaders and still have not implemented reforms that are deemed as necessary to regain competivness. In fact, most would have liked her to be tougher on Greece and force them out of the Euro which Schäube advocated.

The Ukraine crises: Probably the most defining crises. I cannot stress enough how well her negotiations with Putin, particulary her brokering the Minsk peace deal have been received in Germany.

'Merkel mania' as hyperactive chancellor tackles Ukraine, Greece | Reuters

Her popularity was at its' height in the following weeks, the fact that the Minsk treaty has not been fully implemented is not seen as her fault. Her strategy to keep talking with Putin, instead of escalating the conflict like the USA wanted is precisely what the Germans wanted, there hardly anything more we fear than a war with Russia, yet that she has stood firm against Russian agression is also seen as defending Germany's interest of having a secure and stable Eastern neighbourhood. I'll vote for her next year because I believe - and even people who do not like the CDU agree - that she is the only Western politician capable of talkin eye-to-eye with Putin.

Regarding Brexit:

Again, the German view is very different. There was little to no understanding for the British wishes for concessions, and Cameron was often mocked for his wishes which were seen as directly against German interests or European law. Even the AfD (who btw. are not advocating for a Gerexit) did not criticize her for a lack of concession, because the view here is that she gave Cameron all she could. The view on Cameron is obviously very harsh here.
Say! could I gently and politely ask you to get the name-tags on your posts accurate? #17
 

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Polar opposite opinions here as to Merkel's competence but there seems to be unanimity that is still very popular with the electorate. Of course, that doesn't rule out a challenge from Schauble or some other wannabe in the meantime.
 

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Judging by opinion polls, she would still be re-elected at a canter, with only Schulz rivalling her in popularity.
They must be dtuck for options.
 

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You are that guy who constructed his own reality regarding Greece and the Euro crisis. It is not surprising seeing you do the same with Germany.
My analysis of the Greek situation still holds good and seems verified by the phenomena day to day. Whereas look at your profound analysis of Greece on the preceding page:

That countries like Greece are still in trouble is viewed as their own fault, since they chose political mavericks like Varoufakis and Tsipras as leaders and still have not implemented reforms that are deemed as necessary to regain competivness . In fact, most would have liked her to be tougher on Greece and force them out of the Euro which Schäube advocated.
Right, so Berlin BELIEVES Greece deserves a Great Depression-level meltdown (not for 4 years as in the 30s but for now 8 years and no end in sight):
a. because they elected 2 grooveyish guys, er, at the start of last year; and
b. because 8 years into a depression they're preoccupied with living hand to mouth when they should be energetically Germanising their economic structures. (This after Merkozy denied them the right to go bust in 2010 and forced the 1st memorandum on them, effectively zombifying their economy.)

In fact Merkel's Berlin believes none of this. It comes out with any cynical old guff, while its mind remains trained on one thing only:

keeping the looting going for as long as possible while war-chesting against whatever comes after.
 

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Perhaps, given the mess Merkel has made of things, we should start to refer to her on P.ie as "Blunderwoman".
Accurate assessment.
 

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How long? Twelve years in power.
I suppose you have to add up all the pluses and minuses.
Germany's first female chancellor. Well on that she scored well. Imagine if she was someone of the like of Margaret Thatcher or Sarah Palin. She brought a sort of stablity in the early days.
Helmut Kohl feels aggrieved by her as she lambasted him for running his slush fund.
She seemed to walk blindfolded into this Urkaine crisis... allowing it to happen. (Or is the blame better apportioned to Putin for having some long-term scheme? or the Americans for meddling with the government?) I find it more than strange that the Ukraine agreed to leasing that port in the Crimea long-term to the Russian fleet. If the Russian navy personnel made it their habit or policy to retire there with their families (and so build up the Russian/Russo-phile population) things would seem to point towards some long-term Russian scheme.
The Euro crisis? Well the books were cooked by Italy under the Kohl admin and under the Schroeder regime by Greece. Correct me on this if I'm wrong.
Was Frau Merkel in a position to correct this once they had gained entry to the Eurozone ? During the boom years it would have been impossible to turf them out.
To the bane of both Italy, Greece and us all. And now we are facing the music.

The refugee crisis. Most people think it could have been done better -- including Frau Merkel. But can you imagine in a fast-changing world... just suppose war or climate change or both hit Europe -- and two, three or more million European people want to seek asylum in Africa or Arabia? Now then the sparks would be flying.
 
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Right, so Berlin BELIEVES Greece deserves a Great Depression-level meltdown (not for 4 years as in the 30s but for now 8 years and no end in sight):
a. because they elected 2 grooveyish guys, er, at the start of last year; and
b. because 8 years into a depression they're preoccupied with living hand to mouth when they should be energetically Germanising their economic structures. (This after Merkozy denied them the right to go bust in 2010 and forced the 1st memorandum on them, effectively zombifying their economy.)

a) Greek politicians have been dangerously incompetent for a while now. First they faked data to get access to the Euro and cheap money, then they lied about the true state of Greek finances to get elected, asked for money and made little effort to reform the dysfuctional state and destroyed any trust their European partners had. Tsipras and Varoufakes were only the last straw.

b) Nobody denied them the right to default. Greece is free to do so, however it cannot default if it wants to stay in the Euro. That is something legal experts and European politicians have told them from day one of the crisis. Because the Greeks want to keep the Euro, they accepted austerity.

Fun fact, what is often missing in this debate are the smaller countries like Slovenia who have also given money to Greece. Those countries are significantly poorer than Greece and as a consequence even less willing to compromise. But of course they are ignored because it would not look good if suddenly Greece were to look like it wants money from poorer countries to finance social services those countries cannot afford themselves.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/09/poorer-than-greece-the-eu-countries-that-reject-a-new-athens-bailout

As for the length of the crisis, it is noteworthy that Greece has been dragging its' foot on many reforms that would actually make life cheaper for the common people, like its' overpriced medical sector. The Orthodox church, despite being very wealthy is still not paying any taxes (in fact, the state pays the church 100€ for each marriage) the same counts for the shipping industry.

Still, there is the hope that Greece will eventually become a more modern countries thanks to its' effort. If that were to happen, I have no doubt that future Greeks will consider Merkel as essentiell for the evolution of their country to a modern, functioning state.

In fact Merkel's Berlin believes none of this. It comes out with any cynical old guff, while its mind remains trained on one thing only:

keeping the looting going for as long as possible while war-chesting against whatever comes after.[/QUOTE]
 

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I know that Frau Merkel spent her formative years growing up in a vicarage. The academic life is also somewhat protected from the real world. She dealt with electrons and molecules instead of the world of people. Her introduction to Hi-powered politics was kind of cossetted as she was the lone girl among a bunch of men and she cut her "political teeth" under the protection of Helmut Kohl whose weight and girth made him a formidable figure.
Nevertheless she's displaying unbelievable naivity when she proclaims outrage that the mass-killer at the Berlin Market could actually have told a lie about declaring himself to be a refugee fleeing persecution. This is one for the cartoonists.

... or the logicians.

It's quite possible, or even likely that said individual was both persecuted or denied his democratic freedoms and entitlements (hence he was telling the truth) and is a mass killer as well ... in the name of allah

Some thoughts for you just to try and home in on the mind of the person who is pretty much the Empress of the EU/Eurozone... cos she's got da moulAH and Enda has to take a jump to the left and a step to the right when she says so.

In days gone by if a politician or military person screwed up royally -- back in the good old days, they were put in a room and handed a revolver with one bullet. No questions asked and none were needed. They understood.
Now what is the tally of persons killed this past two years and how many were due to the invitees from the East.
Someone should keep a tally.
 

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It's striking when you consider that Angela Merkel feels she has a connection with the all-powerful Deity or God and was obeying Him when she opened the gates to the 1.5 Million young Arab, African males.
Contrast this with Amis Amri the Tunisian who drove the truck through the Christmas Market killing 12 people (and probably more to come out of the 48 wounded) Oh yes! not to forget the Polish truck-driver! ---- well when he was killing these people he felt he had a connection with the all powerful deity too and was obeying him.

Ain't that irony?

A small point which raises the question as to whether Angela Merkel is very intelligent, or emmmm still learning or whether she has good PR people who like some sort of Roman Curia put words in her mouth. On hearing of the death of Anis Amri she says

Angela Merkel: „Erleichtert, dass eine akute Gefahr beendet ist“
Roughly she's pleased that Amri has been shot. Well that might be great PR for the non-thinking proletariate but just take a moment to consider:
Dead men don't tell tales. This was the worst outcome possible. Amri is what you might call "the eejit" -- disposable material to be used in a suicide boming... and the b*gger didn't commit suicide at all!!! He's taken a load of useful information with him into the grave.
Of course like a good cowboy movie, the orchestra plays the overture and Angela claims victory.
Takes my breath away... it's great PR. I'm sure her ratings have actually climbed with this announcement.

But what fish to let get away. I suppose the Italian cops had to protect themselves.
 

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Zugriff in Berlin: Mutmaßlicher Kontaktmann von Amri festgenommen - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Looks like my suspicions were correct. Amri took the information with him to the grave. Not much cause for celebration really then. Another bit of good luck for the German cops who found Amri's mobile. Since then they've arrested his contact man -- or one of them.
They also found out that he appears to have travelled through Germany, Holland -- then Belgium, Lux? France and then Italy. So he did the grand European tour before a chance police-check in Milan at 2:00-3:00 in the morning.
Sure why didn't he come here? with half-way decent looking forged papers the boys-in-blue woulda been clueless.:|

I don't know what they are going to do with the contact-man. Maybe they'll look at him crossly if he refuses to answer questions.

Now why did Amri take a journey through five (or six) countries? kinda risky. Did he have contact-men along the route?
Also the pathologists have examined the dead Polish driver, Lukacs and determined that the time of death was long before 20:00, the time of the Christmas market massacre. So, he was bumped off ca. 15:00 to 16:00.... what happened in between? That's 4-5 hours to play with, practice and plan.

I propose the motion to Cynic, Republic of Luas, Mitsui and Mossyman that henceforth all volunteers should refrain from leaving their identity papers and mobile phones lying around after an operation and should blow themselves up to heaven like good Jihadists. :) --
 
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He's right, as the CSU is historically separate due to a post-war response to Bavarian particularism. Immediately after WWII, the major party in the Land was the Bayernpärtei, who were essentially the equivalent of the SNP. The CSU stole their electoral clothes by equally playing to Bavarian regionalism and Catholic values, so, as mentioned, the CSU could expand by appealing to Catholic Germans, but the CDU couldn't survive in the region.
I appreciate your view, but I think that's no longer true.
 

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I appreciate your view, but I think that's no longer true.
If CDU and CSU were to compete Germany-wide, it would be a bit like here in Ireland with People before Profit, Labour, Sinn Fein and the Social Democrats fighting for the few marginal seats/ constituencies.
Besides, what differentiates CDU and CSU apart from religion and the traditional separatism? Refugee policy would be the major difference. I think the big winners would be the other parties.
 

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If CDU and CSU were to compete Germany-wide, it would be a bit like here in Ireland with People before Profit, Labour, Sinn Fein and the Social Democrats fighting for the few marginal seats/ constituencies.
Besides, what differentiates CDU and CSU apart from religion and the traditional separatism? Refugee policy would be the major difference. I think the big winners would be the other parties.
The CDU under Merkel has shifted to the center and has become attractive for more liberal voters. The CSU on the other hand has tried to maintain its' conservative profil, especially regarding family values, e.g. the so called "Herdprämie". This was implemented due to pressure from the CSU and allocates money to women who stay at home and care for the children. Pretty much everybody except the CSU and AfD mocks the concept, not only because it is oldfashioned, but also because it creates many problems. It complicates e.g. integration, because for children from migrants it is scientifically proven that the best way for them to integrate is early access to a kindergarten.
The CSU also wants a toll for foreigners who use German autobahnen, which again earned them ridicule, because this idea is very likely not compatible with European law. The only area where they might have a point is the integration policy.
 

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On the asylum issue... le Chaim put it in a nutshell to the effect of saying: Should asylum be granted at all?
It's a tough question to answer. The Germans have been dealing with this question for longer than most people think.
Interestingly the word for someone seeking refuge has undergone quite a few name-changes over the decades... over the centuries.
The Hugeonots who fled France for Britain and Germany were termed emigrants because of religious persecution.
The Irish were during the famine were called immigrants.
World war one, i.e. and the establishment of the Red Cross brought the term refugee.
The authorities after World war two which caused much more upheaval used the term "Displaced Persons".
The UN charter on human rights used the term asylum-seekers.
It's interesting why the term keeps changing. Travellers and African Americans have also gone through several name-changes.

The German constitution granted an automatic right to people seeking asylum during the cold war. That public personalities such as sportsmen authors musicians would flee socialism was a powerful propaganda coup against the Warsaw pact countries.
In the 1990's Eric Honecker in the German Democratic Republic hit upon the ingenious response. He allowed the war refugees from Ceylon (Sri Lanka) to land in East Berlin and he let them travel on to West Berlin. I'm sure he cackled to watch the friction develop with the native Germans as 1,000, 2,000 .... 20,000 asylum seekers accumulated in the West.
Willi Brandt, the Prez of the SPD who himself had been an asylum seeker in Sweden during the Nazi period was adamant that the asylum rule should stay in the constitution.
I recall that at one stage this group of black African men applied for Asylum in Bavaria. The local official enquired as to their names. The first answered that his name was "JIM Beam", the second "Johnny Walker" and the third "Flavoured Ice Cube"
They were really taking the piss out of the Krauts.
Long story short, the Germans ended up changing their constitution to exclude those asylum-seekers who came from a safe country... and that included all countries bordering Germany: Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Lux, France Czechia and Poland.

But this phase of the story might have caused discomfort and irritation to the German public... and much mirth to the east Germans. There was no terror organization.
What changes the game completely is that now there are the smugglers who bring the people to Europe for financial gain, and also there is the terror organizations who try to destabelize the host country.
It's also the age of the internet, smart phone and kalashnikov.

In my view the clash of govt and Isis and the smugglers will bring surveillance state.
Well it's here already if what Snowden says is true.

Incidentally. If the west were to abolish or curtain the right to asylum it would mean other third world nations would follow suit and use the west's actions as a justification.
Not good.
On the other hand, there are 60-70 million displaced persons ... and a few hundred million young men in restrictive societies in search of adventure and money...
Can the west really supply bed and board and education and lawyers and court processes and medical and dental to all the new arrivals?
It's going to be expensive and there will be friction with the lower social orders.

End of rant
 

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On the asylum issue... le Chaim put it in a nutshell to the effect of saying: Should asylum be granted at all?
It's a tough question to answer. The Germans have been dealing with this question for longer than most people think.
Interestingly the word for someone seeking refuge has undergone quite a few name-changes over the decades... over the centuries.
The Hugeonots who fled France for Britain and Germany were termed emigrants because of religious persecution.
The Irish were during the famine were called immigrants.
World war one, i.e. and the establishment of the Red Cross brought the term refugee.
The authorities after World war two which caused much more upheaval used the term "Displaced Persons".
The UN charter on human rights used the term asylum-seekers.
It's interesting why the term keeps changing. Travellers and African Americans have also gone through several name-changes.

The German constitution granted an automatic right to people seeking asylum during the cold war. That public personalities such as sportsmen authors musicians would flee socialism was a powerful propaganda coup against the Warsaw pact countries.
In the 1990's Eric Honecker in the German Democratic Republic hit upon the ingenious response. He allowed the war refugees from Ceylon (Sri Lanka) to land in East Berlin and he let them travel on to West Berlin. I'm sure he cackled to watch the friction develop with the native Germans as 1,000, 2,000 .... 20,000 asylum seekers accumulated in the West.
Willi Brandt, the Prez of the SPD who himself had been an asylum seeker in Sweden during the Nazi period was adamant that the asylum rule should stay in the constitution.
I recall that at one stage this group of black African men applied for Asylum in Bavaria. The local official enquired as to their names. The first answered that his name was "JIM Beam", the second "Johnny Walker" and the third "Flavoured Ice Cube"
They were really taking the piss out of the Krauts.
Long story short, the Germans ended up changing their constitution to exclude those asylum-seekers who came from a safe country... and that included all countries bordering Germany: Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Lux, France Czechia and Poland.

But this phase of the story might have caused discomfort and irritation to the German public... and much mirth to the east Germans. There was no terror organization.
What changes the game completely is that now there are the smugglers who bring the people to Europe for financial gain, and also there is the terror organizations who try to destabelize the host country.
It's also the age of the internet, smart phone and kalashnikov.

In my view the clash of govt and Isis and the smugglers will bring surveillance state.
Well it's here already if what Snowden says is true.

Incidentally. If the west were to abolish or curtain the right to asylum it would mean other third world nations would follow suit and use the west's actions as a justification.
Not good.
On the other hand, there are 60-70 million displaced persons ... and a few hundred million young men in restrictive societies in search of adventure and money...
Can the west really supply bed and board and education and lawyers and court processes and medical and dental to all the new arrivals?
It's going to be expensive and there will be friction with the lower social orders.

End of rant
Not a rant at all. Quite interesting.
 


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