Angela Kerins resigns as head of rehab

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That 50k discretionary spending caper shouldn't be allowed anywhere. I don't think CEOs or Presidents should have that facility. It is an open door to abuse and I would like to see how that would be signed off by auditors and risk committees.

I do have authorisation to sign off on £5k in my job but I would have to explain any proposed spend under that condition. I wouldn't have it any other way as it keeps me safe from criticism if I have clearance from higher up, and have satisfied all procurement requirements.

I definitely would feel wary of any situation where I was signing off thousands in expenditure without a sound buy-in and understanding from above and all the proper paperwork.

50k without question cannot be satisfactory or even prudent for the person concerned.
Very realistic reply, AK could have been using that discretion daily, several times, Frank Flannery would have been key to that discretion, the pair of them had major connections into FF/FG, so the money flowed in from Govt at levels of 80/90m per annum
 


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Very realistic reply, AK could have been using that discretion daily, several times, Frank Flannery would have been key to that discretion, the pair of them had major connections into FF/FG, so the money flowed in from Govt at levels of 80/90m per annum
Poor "stanley",
You're still running away from the Maria Bailey scandal!
Why?
If you continue to ignore it, I'll take it that you support her!
Your move.
Thanks
 

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not sure what that has to do with what occured to her, just needs a firmer chair


remember the "Blueprint for Ireland’s Recovery” that Kerins was involved in https://namawinelake.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/irelandfirst.pdf
 
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not sure what that has to do with what occured to here just needs a firmer chair


remember the "Blueprint for Ireland’s Recovery” that Kerins was involved in https://namawinelake.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/irelandfirst.pdf

A qualified midwife who rises to be a Charity boss based on her political connections in FF and ability to keep State funds rolling in at 80/90m per annum, an obvious sensitive depressive soul who did not want people to know how much she earned (essentially a public servant role) and other conditions in her workplace, like 50k discretion, somehow gets to act as a co-chair on a high quality committee where the great and the powerful gave their views on a future.

Her opinion is worthless she was always about status and the money, with an ego to match.
 

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not sure what that has to do with what occured to here just needs a firmer chair


remember the "Blueprint for Ireland’s Recovery” that Kerins was involved in https://namawinelake.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/irelandfirst.pdf
Mandatory 'professional development' courses and disciplinary procedures for Oireachtas members aren't going to happen. They would intrude on parliamentary privilege, something the Supreme Court was scrupulous to avoid.

Having unelected 'experts' on committees is an appalling, and likely unconstitutional, idea.

The only one of her proposals that has any merit is the putting in place of a grievance procedure for people who believe they've been abused by Oireachtas members in the course of their parliamentary duties.

That's something the SC called for and I believe that the Committee on Procedure and Privileges is considering it.
 

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Ceann Comhairle Sean O'Fearghaíl Had some interesting comments to make on this subject on The Week in Politics earlier.

He offered a personal apology to Angela Kerins and describe the fact that the committee was found to have acted unlawfully as 'chilling'.

He said there will have to be an agreed protocol put in place to ensure that committees can question witnesses robustly but respectfully.

Alas the interviewer was Sharon Ni Bheoláin so there was attempt to see what he thought such a protocol would look like. She was far more interested in gender quotas.
 

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"In 2014, the PAC, chaired by Fianna Fáil TD John McGuinness, was doggedly pursuing the spending of money by free-standing charitable organisations which received large sums of taxpayers' money. There had been huge public controversy surrounding Rehab and other organisations, most notably the Central Remedial Clinic, both of which got significant State funding and also relied on public fundraising. Apart from anything else, there were concerns about other charitable organisations being hit".


It was in the light of State monies being given to charities, subsequent abuse of same funds that the PAC finally got a rep of one of the largest, Rehab 83m per annum, sat down in front of them and they asked pretty insightful questions.

Angela did not want to answer them, certainly not about her 240k salary and expenses, she felt the State had no right to ask even though without the State's input/turnover, she would have no job.

Wonder how private donors felt when they found out people like AK were earning 240k + per annum, Flannery has played a personal stormer by keeping AK front and centre.

Likelihood is she will sue for personal loss and will go big.

Should the CC be commenting on an ongoing case where the State is facing further liabilities, I think not, it will only encourage AK and her lawyers.
 

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"In 2014, the PAC, chaired by Fianna Fáil TD John McGuinness, was doggedly pursuing the spending of money by free-standing charitable organisations which received large sums of taxpayers' money. There had been huge public controversy surrounding Rehab and other organisations, most notably the Central Remedial Clinic, both of which got significant State funding and also relied on public fundraising. Apart from anything else, there were concerns about other charitable organisations being hit".


It was in the light of State monies being given to charities, subsequent abuse of same funds that the PAC finally got a rep of one of the largest, Rehab 83m per annum, sat down in front of them and they asked pretty insightful questions.

Angela did not want to answer them, certainly not about her 240k salary and expenses, she felt the State had no right to ask even though without the State's input/turnover, she would have no job.

Wonder how private donors felt when they found out people like AK were earning 240k + per annum, Flannery has played a personal stormer by keeping AK front and centre.

Likelihood is she will sue for personal loss and will go big.

Should the CC be commenting on an ongoing case where the State is facing further liabilities, I think not, it will only encourage AK and her lawyers.
Indeed, Sean O'Fearghail was an embarrassment yesterday - apologizing for TDs trying to figure out what was going on with the tax payers money by asking a few unscripted questions that somehow "trampled her rights" (the work is trammeled, of course, but you couldn't expect a TD to be able to speak English, now could you?

So our democracy took another backward step yesterday - our Dail put more firmly back in its box by the legal eagles who seem to run the country as a family business and don't believe that "their sort of people" should ever have to explain themselves to the little people.
 

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Indeed, Sean O'Fearghail was an embarrassment yesterday - apologizing for TDs trying to figure out what was going on with the tax payers money by asking a few unscripted questions that somehow "trampled her rights" (the work is trammeled, of course, but you couldn't expect a TD to be able to speak English, now could you?

So our democracy took another backward step yesterday - our Dail put more firmly back in its box by the legal eagles who seem to run the country as a family business and don't believe that "their sort of people" should ever have to explain themselves to the little people.
If you're going to castigate people for making errors you might check your facts first.

What O'Fearghaíl said was that the court found that the committee "... had trampled on the rights of Ms. Kerins."

And when you've done that you can check your spelling.
 

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Seán Ó Fearghaíl is/was an FFer, we know AK's background was heavily FF so no great surprise he would publicly support her when we are getting into the money resolve area, it's what they do.
 

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Seán Ó Fearghaíl is an utter disgrace not to defend the good work done by the committee in exposing the rip off of taxpayers money.
 

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Seán Ó Fearghaíl is an utter disgrace not to defend the good work done by the committee in exposing the rip off of taxpayers money.

The CC has decided to pass comment on a fellow FFer as soon as he has the verdict of the SC before him, if he was doing his job properly he should have forseen what might happen at PAC but chose to keep his trap shut, most would prefer if he kept it shut.
 

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"Current chairman of the Public Accounts Committee, Fianna Fáil TD Seán Fleming, has come out in support of the Ceann Comhairle’s apology to Angela Kerins."


So all the FFers have started apologising, pressure now on McGuiness to join in then MeHole will come along and say he planned it all and then announce AK will stand for the Dail as soon as he can generate a vacancy.
 

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I'm sure Fianna Fail's heartfelt overtures and instinctive desire to play politics with other people's money is a matter of awe for us all.

Could be a marriage made in heaven. Fianna Fail's Great White Hope, and leader-in-waiting, your favourite philanthropist and mine, Ms Angela Kerins.

Every now and then one catches the faintest glimmer of why Americans are so loathe to give up personal weaponry.
 

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It's hard not to despair when reading some of the comment on threads like this.

Surely people can set aside their dislike of the individuals involved and see the principles at stake.

Can no one see that if the institutions of state are allowed to be above the law then it's not just those we disapprove of who will suffer in the end?
 

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It's hard not to despair when reading some of the comment on threads like this.

Surely people can set aside their dislike of the individuals involved and see the principles at stake.

Can no one see that if the institutions of state are allowed to be above the law then it's not just those we disapprove of who will suffer in the end?
Ridiculous misrepresentation of the opposing argument(s):

It's precisely the principle that is at stake, and not a dislike for an individual as you claim.

It's ironic that the CPP having taken the most cautious and conservative line with regard to the terms of reference of the PAC and compellability of witnesses (advised by lawyers presumably) which was thrown back at them and used against the PAC and which has directly led to this situation.

I find it hard to believe that the US Supreme Court would have taken such a narrow, legalistic view of the powers of their parliament to enquire and ask questions directly related to the spending of public money.

We have the weakest, most insipid parliament and most cowed politicians, under the thumb of lawyers and the courts. As for being above the law, that's only because the Supreme Court has unexpectedly declared that to be the case. Nobody wants that situation clearly, and the outcome can only be even more involvement of lawyers in the day to day business of parliament. Not a good thing.
 

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"She has claimed PAC members knowingly acted outside their remit, seeking commercial information and details of private earnings, rather than inquiring solely into Rehab services paid for by the HSE and Solas"

Personally I feel they were correct to ask the questions they did, her earnings were way beyond public servant levels for an equivalent posting and over 90% of funding was coming from the State.

Without State funds she/Rehab would not be down in Saudi or any other country looking to offer services which Rehab would benefit from and end up jacking her salary +, even further.

Would private donations be given if they knew it was going to increase AKs and FFs salaries ?

"Fianna Fáil finance spokesman Michael McGrath said he felt the Ceann Comhairle "spoke on behalf of the Oireachtas".

Another FFer seeking to stand behind AK.
 

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Ridiculous misrepresentation of the opposing argument(s):

It's precisely the principle that is at stake, and not a dislike for an individual as you claim.

It's ironic that the CPP having taken the most cautious and conservative line with regard to the terms of reference of the PAC and compellability of witnesses (advised by lawyers presumably) which was thrown back at them and used against the PAC and which has directly led to this situation.

I find it hard to believe that the US Supreme Court would have taken such a narrow, legalistic view of the powers of their parliament to enquire and ask questions directly related to the spending of public money.

We have the weakest, most insipid parliament and most cowed politicians, under the thumb of lawyers and the courts. As for being above the law, that's only because the Supreme Court has unexpectedly declared that to be the case. Nobody wants that situation clearly, and the outcome can only be even more involvement of lawyers in the day to day business of parliament. Not a good thing.

Irish Politicians and their cronies have an unhealthy symbiotic relationship with the legal profession.
The politicos allow the legal profession to make out like Bandits and the Legal profession ensure there can be no accountability or consequence , even in the most flagrant and obvious cases of corruption and abuse of Public funds.

Thats why O'Fearghail and Flemming et al (and their P.ie lickspittles) are delighted, the status quo of incompetence corruption and zero accountability can continue with the connivance of the Supreme court .....Dont ask any questions in any forum , even if that forum is , under the constitution exempt from SC oversight. You can know but we'll never let you prove it or allow any consequences.

Yet , if we actually had politicians ( and their Baldricks) who wanted an open accountable transaprent 21st century society , then FF FG and Labour would be telling the SC to bugger off on the basis of The Constitution Article 15 - 10 AND 15-13

10 Each House shall make its own rules and standing orders, with power to attach penalties for their infringement, and shall have power to ensure freedom of debate, to protect its official documents and the private papers of its members, and to protect itself and its members against any person or persons interfering with, molesting or attempting to corrupt its members in the exercise of their duties.

13 The members of each House of the Oireachtas shall, except in case of treason as defined in this Constitution, felony or breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest in going to and returning from, and while within the precincts of, either House, and shall not, in respect of any utterance in either House, be amenable to any court or any authority other than the House itself.


But instead FF FG and Labour grovel at the feet of those that protect them and their incompetence and corruption
 

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The above comment reminds me of something. Cyprus had a 'systemic liquidity crisis' around the same time we did. They had an investigation too.

They reported in a third of the time, at a fraction of costs we saw, and came to a surprisingly accurate answer which never appeared in Irish affairs;

'Between politics and banking there was an unhealthy nexus of corruption'.

Ireland's version. The Taoiseach and the bankers met on the golf course in the middle of the biggest economic crisis in the history of the modern state and, you know, none of them thought to mention any aspect of it all, at all.
 


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