Angela Merkel's CDU party beaten into third place by AfD party

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It looks like this could become a major embarassment for the AfD. Because as it turns out, the victim seems to have lied about how things happened. He told the police (and press) that he had been followed by some people after he passed a leftwing protest, and was assaulted by them with a baseball bat and beaten until he was unconscious. The only reason why he supposedly survived was because of the interference of others. The AfD of course used this as an opportunity to lash out against the other party's and the press.

However cameras filmed what really happened. Not only was he not followed by protesters, nor was he assaulted with a baseball bat either. The "attack" consisted off a push from behind, with the attacker (not attackers) immediately fleeing afterwards. The victim fell than so unfortunate that it resulted in his injuries. No doubt a reprehensible act, bit certainly not an "assassination" attempt. Of course the AfD cynacilly stated initially that they did not want to exaggerate things, or exploit this incident. ;)
 


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There are 2 important state elections in Germany on Sunday, in Saxony and Brandenburg. In the latter, in the relatively depressed depth of the former GDR, the SPD and CDU look set to collapse to a combined 40% or less of the vote (last time they were 32% and 23% respectively). The main gainers look to be the AfD, on around 20% though their local leader is in trouble over his connections with Golden Dawn in Greece, and the Greens on around 14%.

In Saxony, the CDU are doing a little better on 29-32%, a slight improvement on the 2017 GE and recent Euro elections, but well down from the 39% achieved in the last state polls in 2014. The SPD have almost disappeared here, now down around 8% compared to 18% in 2014, while the AfD are around 25%, challenging the CDU for top spot and in line with their 2017 and Euro performances. The Greens are on 10-11%, roughly double their 2014 and 2017 figures.

In both states the former GDR Communists, Die LInke, are the only neither jumping up nor collapsing, with around 14-15% in both.

No doubt the headlines will be about a big swing to the AfD, but in fact they are on about the same as they were in 2017 - nothing to be complacent about by the way given the history. However I think the real headline should be the fragmentation of German politics, with the CDU and SPD both shadows of their former selves, the Greens and Die LInke emerging as the left parties, and the AfD rivalling the CDU's strength from the right.


 

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Results seem to be much as expected, with the AfD scoring much the same as in the 2017 federal election and up slightly from the recent Euro results. The SPD have once again emerged as the largest party in Brandenburg with 27% but sank to 8% in Saxony as predicted. CDU still the largest party in Saxony on 32% (down from 39%) but down to 15% in Brandenburg. The Left are also down to 9-10% and the Greens are on 10-11%.


No dramatic news here that would bring forward Merkel's departure date, the main point that on the brink of a recession, the AfD have held on to 22-27% of the vote which must be of concern if the German economy does in fact go into decline over the next few years.
 

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The mad cow won't be happy with the way the people of Brandenburg told her where to go. At last people in her own country are starting to realise that she has done untold damage to Germany and to Europe. Great credit must be attributed to Viktor Orban for standing up to her from day one and not allowing mad cow disease to spread into Hungary.
 

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Well, it is good news that the AfD failed to become the biggest party in either election, though it is concerning that 1/3 of the voters went for populist antidemocratic parties like the AfD and the Left party. The AfD has already inflicted significant damage to East Germany, because the region- like Germany as a whole - is depending on qualified foreigners to help out with the labor shortage. But when you have a degree in engineering, you are not likely to go to a region where so many people vote for a racist party because you have other options.
 

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Well, it is good news that the AfD failed to become the biggest party in either election, though it is concerning that 1/3 of the voters went for populist antidemocratic parties like the AfD and the Left party. The AfD has already inflicted significant damage to East Germany, because the region- like Germany as a whole - is depending on qualified foreigners to help out with the labor shortage. But when you have a degree in engineering, you are not likely to go to a region where so many people vote for a racist party because you have other options.
You're talking nonsense, how is the afd 'antidemocratic', when they take part in elections?

How are they a 'racist' party, is it bc they see Germans suffering and believe they should be assisted before people from all over the world are allowed into their welfare system?

You'd want your mam or your kids taken care of if they were in trouble before every Tom, Dick and Harry from darkest Congo are given the fruits of our welfare system?
 

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Congratulations to the Afd on their good performance in these elections. They seem to be the only party in Germany that want to stand against mass immigration and all of its terrible consequences. It's a pity much of Germany is far too craven to vote for them.
 

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You're talking nonsense, how is the afd 'antidemocratic', when they take part in elections?
The NSDAP and the KPD also took part in elections. It is clear that the AfD wants to imitate the NSDAP by using elections as a way to gain power. Numerous statements of their politicians illustrate that they do not believe in what elections represents, and that they are not willing to respect results that don't suit them.
 

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The NSDAP and the KPD also took part in elections. It is clear that the AfD wants to imitate the NSDAP by using elections as a way to gain power. Numerous statements of their politicians illustrate that they do not believe in what elections represents, and that they are not willing to respect results that don't suit them.
So what you're saying is, both fg, ff and the nsdap all take part in elections...is that it? 🤔
 

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No, it means that a party is not democratic just because it takes part in elections. Which demonstrates that your previous statement

how is the afd 'antidemocratic', when they take part in elections?
holds no water
 


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