Anne Franks - new US visa attempts revealed - a microcosm of why Israel was founded

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Anne Frank's family tried escaping to US but thwarted by 'bureaucracy' – report
“I am forced to look out for emigration and as far as I can see USA is the only country we could go to,” Frank wrote in the April letter. By June, their hopes of emigration were crushed
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The family then faced difficulty obtaining new sets of papers and certificates under a regime that was systematically rendering Jews effectively stateless.

At the same time, the US public recorded increasingly negative attitude toward refugees.
Jews had no options after America closed off

A deeply Catholic work, set to Auschwitz

[video=youtube;gBr3-qAoRWE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBr3-qAoRWE[/video]

The composer incidentally was close to the late Pope John Paul II

There's a lot of lessons there

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How interesting that this was found now in the context of Trump attempting to enforce the laws around immigration in the USA to the horror of most of the capitalist media.
 

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WW2 wasnt about the Jews. That came later, when people realised what Nazis would do, given half a chance.

The State of Israel had been in the air, as possibly really achievable, for at least a century before that. Read "Daniel Deronda".

Gorecki is a romantic fraud.

"Kel male rahim" is the great Jewish lament, for the dead of Auschwitz, for the dead of Treblinka...

[video=youtube;78uXhSugkrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78uXhSugkrs[/video]
 

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WW2 wasnt about the Jews. That came later, when people realised what Nazis would do, given half a chance.

The State of Israel had been in the air, as possibly really achievable, for at least a century before that. Read "Daniel Deronda".

Gorecki is a romantic fraud.

"Kel male rahim" is the great Jewish lament, for the dead of Auschwitz, for the dead of Treblinka...

[video=youtube;78uXhSugkrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78uXhSugkrs[/video]
Oh, I know all of the history

At any given time, there exist many of potentials - people sometimes confusedly follow back a narrative path at times

It was some time in the 1930's that Israel started really taking off - both culturally (the Jewish cultural revival was ripe) but more crucially...the dogged military political non state fighters...there...there there was a critical mass, surprisingly small - but ...fierce

Cyp
 

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WW2 wasnt about the Jews. That came later, when people realised what Nazis would do, given half a chance.

The State of Israel had been in the air, as possibly really achievable, for at least a century before that. Read "Daniel Deronda".

Gorecki is a romantic fraud.

"Kel male rahim" is the great Jewish lament, for the dead of Auschwitz, for the dead of Treblinka...

[video=youtube;78uXhSugkrs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78uXhSugkrs[/video]
The State of Israel became achievable when Britain occupied the Holy Land in World War I and published the Balfour Declaration.

http://www.politics.ie/forum/history/260946-11th-dec-1917-british-army-captures-jerusalem-then-now.html

However, in the eye of many Jews, the Holocaust made it essential. Without the Holocaust, it might have taken a lot longer.
 

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Oh, I know all of the history

At any given time, there exist many of potentials - people sometimes confusedly follow back a narrative path at times

It was some time in the 1930's that Israel started really taking off - both culturally (the Jewish cultural revival was ripe) but more crucially...the dogged military political non state fighters...there...there there was a critical mass, surprisingly small - but ...fierce

Cyp
Oh what has that got to with Gorecki? Honestly, I AM the Romanticist here, and I can see straight through him.

Cyp, hon, they closed the Borders to everyone. One of the greatest German philosophers, a man who predicted the airless, mall-centred world we live in now, a man without a drop of Jewish blood, died because he reached Toulouse one day too late. He was trying for Spain.
 

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Oh, I know all of the history

At any given time, there exist many of potentials - people sometimes confusedly follow back a narrative path at times

It was some time in the 1930's that Israel started really taking off - both culturally (the Jewish cultural revival was ripe) but more crucially...the dogged military political non state fighters...there...there there was a critical mass, surprisingly small - but ...fierce

Cyp
It is difficult to see how Israel would have been set up without the British Jewish Brigade that formed the nucleus of the Haganah after 1945 ....


A Jewish Brigade soldier carries an artillery shell. The Hebrew inscription on the shell translates as "a gift to Hitler."

Israel without an World War II or an Allied victory? Not likely.
 

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Which is why the Zionists attempted to murder Churchill during WWII and co-operated with the Zionist Revisionists in the period. A Hitlerite victory would have been the Zionist dream realized on a far greater scale. But the Revionists and the not the Labour Zionists would have been in charge- the ethnic cleansing and the land grabbed would have been more severe, as would the number of the colonists.
 

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That's what Anne Frank would have wanted, though - a state where her people treated another race as badly as the Nazis treated her and her family!
 

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Which is why the Zionists attempted to murder Churchill during WWII and co-operated with the Zionist Revisionists in the period. A Hitlerite victory would have been the Zionist dream realized on a far greater scale. But the Revionists and the not the Labour Zionists would have been in charge- the ethnic cleansing and the land grabbed would have been more severe, as would the number of the colonists.

A steaming pile of manure....
 

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We need to know more about what really happened in 'the holocaust' before anyone goes jumping to conclusions. The conundrum is on the one saying the concentration camps were work camps, which we know they were, focused on making machinery and equipment for the German war effort, and on the other calling them death camps where people were sent only to be killed. The truth about them may be that inmates no longer able to work were deprived of food from the camps' limited rations, or were bumped off the way we know now goes on in Britain and possibly Irish hospitals ('life-shortening' or 'over-medicating' as the press describes it, in addition to the standard 'do not resuscitate' order commonly issued by doctors), so we must be careful about demonising what went on in the nazi work camps if we do not equally demonise what goes on much closer to home now, including recently voting to legalise the mass slaughter of thousands of Irish babies each year who will be killed and despatched to Kingdom come before ever drawing a single breath
 
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It is difficult to see how Israel would have been set up without the British Jewish Brigade that formed the nucleus of the Haganah after 1945 ....


A Jewish Brigade soldier carries an artillery shell. The Hebrew inscription on the shell translates as "a gift to Hitler."

Israel without an World War II or an Allied victory? Not likely.
GB was committed to an Israeli state from 1916. That was when Britain could have delivered that.

Actually the Israelis won it by murdering British soldiers in the Palestine Mandate after 1945.
 

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A steaming pile of manure....
https://juliusevola.co/2017/05/27/israel-its-past-its-future/

"Since all of these solutions have proven to be dead ends, the author is forced to consider the final possibility, the Zionist solution. Purge the land of Jews, gather them all together, deposit them all in a piece of some continent, so that the Jews may govern themselves, do what they want, practice their law and preserve their race, but if they seriously intend to realize the promise of a universal Regnum, let them try, and, as a nation, openly take up the fight with other countries — this, naturally, in its simplicity, would seem the only viable way. The Jewish peril would then vanish, and with it, anti-Semitism, the day when all the Jews would live in their own country and just mind their own business.

Is that practically possible? And if so, on what basis? The land of Palestine, it is said, is not sufficient to contain all the Jews of the world. De Vries argues that Transjordan could be added to it, and with that you would have a territory already capable of absorbing 50%-70% of all Jews around the world. And the Arab resistance? We would have to deal with it. For de Vries, it is an opposition dictated less by practical and economic considerations than by feelings. The interests of the Arabs can be sacrificed for the sake of the interest all nations have in freeing themselves from the Jewish virus, and this unwanted guest. If necessary, the Arab populations can be transported elsewhere and given other land.
This solution, then, does not seem to be an impossibility.
It is indispensable that the Jews stop saying one thing and doing another. If they resign themselves to being a nation among others, it will certainly be possible to find a way to satisfy their national aspirations. But if they continue to harbor thoughts of world domination, we will just have to fight them to the very end.
Israel must choose:
either full-fledged and sincere Zionism, renouncing revolutionary and hegemonist intrigue, or the struggle against the Aryan forces that are awakening and striving to organize themselves on the international arena. In the latter case, we will oppose the Jewish International with the Aryan International."
 

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How interesting that this was found now in the context of Trump attempting to enforce the laws around immigration in the USA to the horror of most of the capitalist media.
I don't see Israel taking in too many "refugees" from the sort of dodgy Muslim countries that Obama & Trump had on their list.

Also this article is a bit short on detail. It says Mr. Frank "began seeking ways to escape to the US as early as 1938". Does this mean he was just thinking about it, or he made his application in 1938?
Then it says the "application was lost in a German bombardment of Rotterdam, the Netherlands, in 1940". Seems like he might have left it a bit late. A lot of jews got out before the war started. Everybody (not just the jews) found international travel very difficult after the war started, unless they were in uniform.
 

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Well Op is such a bucket o whatever I suppose we can all have a nibble.
 

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That's what Anne Frank would have wanted, though - a state where her people treated another race as badly as the Nazis treated her and her family!
Amos Oz on the misuse of the Nazi analogy , written '80's.

 


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