Another one bites the dust

Observer

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There is a market for Renua if done properly. Having Hobbes upfront and picking a silly name was a bad start from which they never recovered.
There's a market but, beyond Internet message boards and social media, it's not nearly as large as you think it is, and probably not much larger than the vote Renua managed in February.

To judge by the exit poll internals, Renua's appeal was not particularly to social conservatives (it was FF who had the most socially conservative and religiously observant profile of any of the parties, while Renua's support wasn't significantly different from FG on those scores) and there really aren't that many slash-and-burners out there in the wider electorate. The failure to explain how exactly the flat tax was going to be paid for other than "dynamic effects" did for them - the electorate had been too badly burnt on that score.
 


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Anyone in public life can be portrayed as 'a bit of a weirdo' if the press and Montrose decide that's the label they want to attach. There are plenty 'weirder' and in a much more malicious way who enjoy glowing coverage in the Irish media.

From offshore oligarchs, to developers, to the legal profession, Lucinda stepped on a lot of toes. She had to be dispatched.
She was advocating for the reduction of the tax bills of the most wealthy people in the country (by a large margin) while many are still feeling the full force of austerity.

Do you not think that that was a weird thing to put to the electorate?

Also, remember the day they launched? They were utterly all over the place.

To be fair, Creighton was their only ace card. She is an excellent speaker. But starting the party ruined her as a credible politician. She would probably be in government now if she hadn't listened to the voices in her head.
 

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Its not particularly surprising. The lazy comparisons with the Progressive Democrats should have been nipped in the bud very early in play. Billy Timmins was a decent coup for the party, but that was the height of it. The rest were average performers, or plucked from obscurity in the hope of riding the "change" wave.

The thread has been badly pointed out that between the handling at the launch of the party, to the name, which clearly was an attempt to emulate the business style model which seeks to compound buzzwords words, to those involved, it clearly never had the legs that it could have done under the correct circumstances.

In reality, its hard to see where it goes from here. Do the handful of councillors the have seek to keep the movement alive? Do they appeal to independents? Without Lucinda, it will be very difficult for the to promote themselves, and without a strict agenda, much like the PDs they are likely to come up short when examining their relevance. I am disappointed that a further alternative has been washed away, however, that was on the cards from day 1.
 

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I reckon that Snigger Adams will be next for the exit lounge.
I wouldn't bet on it

He intends to 'stay on' until there is an independent socialist 32 county socialist republic firmly established under Sinn Fein

- or the 2116 Easter Celebrations

- whichever comes sooner....
 

ShinnerBot No.32564844524

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I wouldn't bet on it

He intends to 'stay on' until there is an independent socialist 32 county socialist republic firmly established under Sinn Fein

- or the 2116 Easter Celebrations

- whichever comes sooner....
We've been slowly turning him in to a cyborg, we'll be fitting the lasers next week ;)
 

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Its not particularly surprising. The lazy comparisons with the Progressive Democrats should have been nipped in the bud very early in play. Billy Timmins was a decent coup for the party, but that was the height of it. The rest were average performers, or plucked from obscurity in the hope of riding the "change" wave.

The thread has been badly pointed out that between the handling at the launch of the party, to the name, which clearly was an attempt to emulate the business style model which seeks to compound buzzwords words, to those involved, it clearly never had the legs that it could have done under the correct circumstances.

In reality, its hard to see where it goes from here. Do the handful of councillors the have seek to keep the movement alive? Do they appeal to independents? Without Lucinda, it will be very difficult for the to promote themselves, and without a strict agenda, much like the PDs they are likely to come up short when examining their relevance. I am disappointed that a further alternative has been washed away, however, that was on the cards from day 1.
Economically PDnua were where the PD's were.
 

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There is no problem where Lucy, Hobbes and Drennan are the solution.
 

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I am no fan of Irwin either. Always struck me as a thoroughly nasty piece of work.
Though a massive insider.
Interesting cosy arrangement at Jack & Jill.

Eddie Hobbs is "Patron", and a director. Fellow renua member with Jonathan.

Mary Ann o brien is a director. Mrs of Jonathan.

And, fortuitously, Jonathan is CEO. And paid €94,000 salary. (Up €4,000 from previous year).

How coincidental he just happened to win the, erm, competition to become CEO.
 

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Poor Lucy, pride is one of the seven deadly sins, she would be Tainaiste now only for for foolishness, the silly fool
 

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One of there problems was it took them to long in setting it up, from once she announced she was setting up a new party till it happened it must have been a year to 18 months. Compared to the Social Democrats they done thee work and announced the new party. Also the candidate they had in Mayo, no one had ever heard of him, there was more well known Indp. Councillors that they could have chosen.
perhaps they did not want the job
 

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Exactly. Not one single candidate in the recent election ran on an immigration ticket. Not one.

I could be wrong on this, but politicians usually tend to campaign on policies that they think will get them elected by.
One did, and finished bottom of the poll with 183 first preferences.

We've been lucky so far in that the politicians who have tried to play the issue have come across as being obvious kooks and weirdos (Justin Barrett, Áine Ní Chonaill, O'Loughlin). A lot of the politically and economically disenchanted vote which has gone to the far right in Britain and elsewhere in Europe has instead gone to independents in this country.
 

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You are hardly comparing the SD with Renua?
Sister's problem is that the "centre right, reformist, Scandinavian-Market-Economy type political party" she's looking for is already there in the shape of FG and there isn't much room to its right economically. ("Reform", in my experience, tends to mean "policies that will economically hurt people who I don't like".)

I think the SDs risk a slightly different danger of taking the internet bubble too seriously and ending up as an echo chamber for SJWs. The culture war vote on either side is pretty small.
 

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I think there is a niche market for a right-wing economically liberal party, and that if Renua were led by someone who wasn't - to be frank - a bit of a weirdo, and it didn't come with bizarre Tea Party-esque policies attached, they would have taken a small number of seats.

It's entirely possible that if she hadn't received the exposure of the leader's debate, they might have won a couple of seats by default, but Creighton is an odd throwback with little electoral appeal.
I disagree. I think she was the best they had going for them. She could have tried to present them as a more principled version of FG, standing up against the likes of Lowry and [REDACTED].

Instead, the arrival of Hobbs, Ganley, etc. and the accompanying flat tax/"three strikes and you're out" nonsense is what sunk them much more than the media obsession about abortion.
 


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