Another SDLP councllor resigns. Thank you very much Mr Eastwood!


automaticforthepeople

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The fruits of the Fianna Fail SDLP partnership are already clear to see. Claire Hanna simply won't have any truck with Tricky Micky Martin, Councillors on the brink, Party members walking out. Niall Kelly gone.

Add that to the loss of Josephine Deelehan, Patsy Kelly, Joanne Donnolly, Tony Quinn, Rosemarie Shields,

Colum Eastwood is the Simon Haris of northern politics.

Handing what is left of the SDLP to become a plaything for Eamon Ó Cuiv, Willie O'Dea and Cowen!

Fitt, Hume, Mallon, all by revisionism will from now on be just another chapter in the history of the party that gave us Bertie, Haughey, Ray Burke and Liam Lawlor!

Thank you very much Mr Eastwood.

SDLP votes in favour of partnership with Fianna Fail - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
 

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The SDLP are a beaten docket- they even resorted to having the Dissidents helping them out in elections and allowing the leader Dissident Mairia Cahill to become a SDLP Councillor- people are not buying that sh1t and Fianna Fáil trying to cover up that disgusting disgrace of a party will never work-
 

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The SDLP are a beaten docket- they even resorted to having the Dissidents helping them out in elections and allowing the leader Dissident Mairia Cahill to become a SDLP Councillor- people are not buying that sh1t and Fianna Fáil trying to cover up that disgusting disgrace of a party will never work-
If they are a beaten docket then what is in it for FF? Say what you will about FF, they've never come the wrong side of a deal, anyone who did a deal with them however got ridden into the ground. So where is this actually going? SDLP becoming a cover name for FF but FF getting nowhere in the north.

I don't get this one from FF's point of view, nobody in the south cares about this "partnership".
 

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Historically former SDLP politicians who ran for election in the South gravitated mainly to FG so that wing of Northern Nationalism (basically of the Home Rule ilk) will not be keen on a pact with FF.

On the other hand, the vast majority of Northern Catholics are very strongly supportive of a United Ireland in recent polls by Lucid. This I believe is a consequence of Brexit and the harder the Brexit, I think the stronger this will be. I think a split Catholic vote help the Unionists in close constituencies like Fermanagh-South Tyrone and North Belfast.
 

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If they are a beaten docket then what is in it for FF? Say what you will about FF, they've never come the wrong side of a deal, anyone who did a deal with them however got ridden into the ground. ".
Apart from the IMF/Troika....
 

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"Splitting the vote" only matters a damn in Westminster elections.

And nobody within northern nationalism gives two hoots about Westminster.

What this will actually result in, is a significant chunk of the old SDLP vote simply sitting at home and not bothering to vote at all, thus artificially suppressing the headline nationalist vote and staving off the dreaded day of a nationalist electoral majority.

And that's what is in it for FF.
 

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What I found fascinating was the size of the vote in favour of partnering up with FF at 121 to 53.

This was no accident. The Stoops simply must see themselves as being northern FFers to have endorsed this decision by such a majority.
 

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"Splitting the vote" only matters a damn in Westminster elections.

And nobody within northern nationalism gives two hoots about Westminster.

What this will actually result in, is a significant chunk of the old SDLP vote simply sitting at home and not bothering to vote at all, thus artificially suppressing the headline nationalist vote and staving off the dreaded day of a nationalist electoral majority.

And that's what is in it for FF.
They do care how much money is in the bank or if they can put food on the table. In the absence of powersharing, those decisions are taken at Westminister. So while the Union is still in place, it makes little sense to abstain from Westminster. This isnt like 1918 where Nationalists have 80% of the seats.
 

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They do care how much money is in the bank or if they can put food on the table. In the absence of powersharing, those decisions are taken at Westminister. So while the Union is still in place, it makes little sense to abstain from Westminster. This isnt like 1918 where Nationalists have 80% of the seats.
This post is completely divorced from reality. Seriously Dame why do you bother commenting on Northern threads when you simply do not have the faintest idea what you are talking about?
 

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"Splitting the vote" only matters a damn in Westminster elections.

And nobody within northern nationalism gives two hoots about Westminster.

What this will actually result in, is a significant chunk of the old SDLP vote simply sitting at home and not bothering to vote at all, thus artificially suppressing the headline nationalist vote and staving off the dreaded day of a nationalist electoral majority.

And that's what is in it for FF.
you might be right

i cannot see them sitting at home,
 

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This post is completely divorced from reality. Seriously Dame why do you bother commenting on Northern threads when you simply do not have the faintest idea what you are talking about?
I do know what I'm talking about. SF have abdicated their responsibility to the Irish people by being off the field while the British Parliament is going to decide on Brexit.
 

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The SDLP are a beaten docket- they even resorted to having the Dissidents helping them out in elections and allowing the leader Dissident Mairia Cahill to become a SDLP Councillor- people are not buying that sh1t and Fianna Fáil trying to cover up that disgusting disgrace of a party will never work-
This post is completely divorced from reality. Seriously Dame why do you bother commenting on Northern threads when you simply do not have the faintest idea what you are talking about?
I do know what I'm talking about. SF have abdicated their responsibility to the Irish people by being off the field while the British Parliament is going to decide on Brexit.
And what difference would 7 SF MP's make in a parliament of 600 plus....do the simple maths...
 

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And what difference would 7 SF MP's make in a parliament of 600 plus....do the simple maths...
Apparently they are magic votes which would not influence any British MPs at all, despite the fact that Irish people would be over in Britain foiling the 'will of the British people'.

Lots of Tory MPs would be only too glad to welcome them with open arms on the green benches and then to stand shoulder to shoulder with them because Irish politicians would be saving the British people from themselves after their head stagger in 2016.

Much to the relief of the benign British media, it must also be said.
 

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And what difference would 7 SF MP's make in a parliament of 600 plus....do the simple maths...
Like I said it is totally divorced from reality.

Can ye imagine the howls of Outrage in the British media and the insane antics in the House itself if SF showed up to take their seats.

SF being there would instantly guarantee 250+ extra votes against whatever SF were going to be voting for.

It's quite genuinely an insane proposition. It's hilarious though that it's always the far-right loons that proclaim themselves to be all upset in the feels by SF "abandoning their duty" when you can guarantee the exact same dribbling cretins would spend the next 25 years yahooing and chortling at SF for "enforcing British rule" if they ever did show up at Westminster.

It's all rather pathetic really.
 

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With a minority govt clinging on to power by a few seats the answer is a lot.
Wishful thinking. A lot has changed since Frank Maguire bailed out Sunny Jim.
Let the S.D.L.P. throw their cards in the ring with F.F. and the people can decide. Why are the Shinners afraid of democracy?
 

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What I found fascinating was the size of the vote in favour of partnering up with FF at 121 to 53.

This was no accident. The Stoops simply must see themselves as being northern FFers to have endorsed this decision by such a majority.
70% of them do. (of that 70% some see this merely as an opportunity to revive the flagging fortunes of the party) The other 30% are vehemently opposed. With the future of the party at stake 30% is far too high. And it looks exactly as if they have lost their most able performer as a result in Claire Hannah.
 

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Wishful thinking. A lot has changed since Frank Maguire bailed out Sunny Jim.
Let the S.D.L.P. throw their cards in the ring with F.F. and the people can decide. Why are the Shinners afraid of democracy?
Maguire didn't bail Callaghan out! He stayed away for years. When he did turn up to vote he abstained or as he put it arrived to abstain in person. It was Gerry Fitt who voted against Callaghan because of his pandering to unionism under Roy Mason.

40 years later how little has changed except for the fact that SF don't have Fitt's courage to take on a weak government that is relying on bigots!
 
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