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Another SDLP councllor resigns. Thank you very much Mr Eastwood!


automaticforthepeople

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Like I said it is totally divorced from reality.

Can ye imagine the howls of Outrage in the British media and the insane antics in the House itself if SF showed up to take their seats.
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So the SF's political direction is effectively decided by how the Express group or the Sun might respond?
AFAIK 1919-1921 didn't meet the approval of the Beaverbrooks of the day either.

A pity SF didn't consider the reaction of the British media when they were attacking what the media calls as the mainland in the day!
 

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So the SF's political direction is effectively decided by how the Express group or the Sun might respond?
AFAIK 1919-1921 didn't meet the approval of the Beaverbrooks of the day either.

A pity SF didn't consider the reaction of the British media when they were attacking what the media calls as the mainland in the day!
Dafuq are you gibbering on about now you demented spanner? Away with your insane dribbling.
 

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So the SF's political direction is effectively decided by how the Express group or the Sun might respond?
AFAIK 1919-1921 didn't meet the approval of the Beaverbrooks of the day either.

A pity SF didn't consider the reaction of the British media when they were attacking what the media calls as the mainland in the day!
you've clearly missed the point, likely deliberately. Any SF seats in Westminster would meet with tabloid fury. And it's tabloids who often dictate the political direction of the government in the UK. Particularly a government that is hanging on for dear life. considering the brexit omnishambles, you might want to consider the following statement:

However, an old quote has re-emerged in an Anthony Hilton column for Thursday's Evening Standard, which may give you pause for thought as to how you vote in the EU referendum:

I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'
This terrifying Rupert Murdoch quote is possibly the best reason to stay in the EU yet | indy100
 

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How stupid do FG and Liebour look now after their uncritical support for the SDLP? Their fear of SF over ruled any logical position on the north.
 

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How stupid do FG and Liebour look now after their uncritical support for the SDLP? Their fear of SF over ruled any logical position on the north.
How incisive :laugh:

Support by parties of SDLP as distinct from SF for generations arose mostly from the "unconditional support" that the latter gave to the IRA's campaign of violence. ( the quoted part comes from shinners' annual motion ). Eventually, the provos saw they were going nowhere and adopted the position that the SDLP had held for years.
 

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How incisive :laugh:

Support by parties of SDLP as distinct from SF for generations arose mostly from the "unconditional support" that the latter gave to the IRA's campaign of violence. ( the quoted part comes from shinners' annual motion ). Eventually, the provos saw they were going nowhere and adopted the position that the SDLP had held for years.
Pity they weren't particularly interested in giving that support before SF entered electoral politics. We may not have been where we were.
 

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Pity they weren't particularly interested in giving that support before SF entered electoral politics. We may not have been where we were.
There is no way that a democratic party would give support to the political wing of an active paramilitary group. SDLP were a beacon in the nightmare that the provos inflicted on this country, north and south.
 

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There is no way that a democratic party would give support to the political wing of an active paramilitary group. SDLP were a beacon in the nightmare that the provos inflicted on this country, north and south.
And yet the SDLP were totally ignored until the early eighties. Why is that?
 

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And what difference would 7 SF MP's make in a parliament of 600 plus....do the simple maths...
That's only 3 less than the DUP who currently determine British government policy.
 

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And yet the SDLP were totally ignored until the early eighties. Why is that?
Was the Forum for a new Ireland and the Anglo Irish Agreement not in response to the need to give voice to nationalist opinion in the 1980's? Did SDLP not thrive politically as a result?
 

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Was the Forum for a new Ireland and the Anglo Irish Agreement not in response to the need to give voice to nationalist opinion in the 1980's? Did SDLP not thrive politically as a result?
They were in response to the need to reduce support for Sinn Fein and if that meant giving the SDLP a boost, so be it.
 

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Was the Forum for a new Ireland and the Anglo Irish Agreement not in response to the need to give voice to nationalist opinion in the 1980's? Did SDLP not thrive politically as a result?
You may have missed the preceding fifteen years of violence so....
 

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Not the only one! G Adams was by all accounts not involved either.

On a more serious note, Claire Hanna has resigned as party spokesperson on Brexit this afternoon
All that's great. But you might explain exactly what Gerry Adams had to do with the failure to provide any sort of support to the sdlp prior to the early to mid eighties. In fact, that you have singularly failed to address this speaks volumes.

But losing Claire Hannah is a disaster. She's their great performer by a country mile, and had she become leader, could possibly have revived the party's flagging fortunes. Well played Micheal.
 

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Pity they weren't particularly interested in giving that support before SF entered electoral politics. We may not have been where we were.
Were you asleep while SDLP were regular visitors down south to various parties, had southern party leaders address their conferences, worked with all southern parties to bring about the Downing street declaration, the Anglo-Irish agreement, etc. ? All the while, SDLP consistently outvoted SF in various elections in the north.
 

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Were you asleep while SDLP were regular visitors down south to various parties, had southern party leaders address their conferences, worked with all southern parties to bring about the Downing street declaration, the Anglo-Irish agreement, etc. ? All the while, SDLP consistently outvoted SF in various elections in the north.
Were you asleep during the bits where I repeatedly said "before the early to mid eighties?"
 

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Were you asleep during the bits where I repeatedly said "before the early to mid eighties?"
In the lead-up to Sunningdale (1974 ?), the SDLP were in constant contact with the coalition government in ROI. Gerry Fitt was a regular visitor to Labour Party conferences and, afterwards, during the hunger strikes, SDLP had an open door to the various governments in the south. There were 3 general elections in less than 2 years but that did not hinder communications.
 

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In the lead-up to Sunningdale (1974 ?), the SDLP were in constant contact with the coalition government in ROI. Gerry Fitt was a regular visitor to Labour Party conferences and, afterwards, during the hunger strikes, SDLP had an open door to the various governments in the south. There were 3 general elections in less than 2 years but that did not hinder communications.
Communications. Right so. So what *Actual* definiable support was given to the SDLP. Fourth or fifth time of asking. Because any SDLP members I've spoken to on the matter have defined it for me as Sweet FA.
 

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The fruits of the Fianna Fail SDLP partnership are already clear to see. Claire Hanna simply won't have any truck with Tricky Micky Martin, Councillors on the brink, Party members walking out. Niall Kelly gone.

Add that to the loss of Josephine Deelehan, Patsy Kelly, Joanne Donnolly, Tony Quinn, Rosemarie Shields,

Colum Eastwood is the Simon Haris of northern politics.

Handing what is left of the SDLP to become a plaything for Eamon Ó Cuiv, Willie O'Dea and Cowen!

Fitt, Hume, Mallon, all by revisionism will from now on be just another chapter in the history of the party that gave us Bertie, Haughey, Ray Burke and Liam Lawlor!

Thank you very much Mr Eastwood.

SDLP votes in favour of partnership with Fianna Fail - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk
Will this lead to the refounding of the Nationalist Party or Unity or the Irish Independence Party?
 
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