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Another SDLP councllor resigns. Thank you very much Mr Eastwood!


PO'Neill

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Two party's heading to inevitable decline - to Sinn Fein's gains !!
 

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What I found fascinating was the size of the vote in favour of partnering up with FF at 121 to 53.

This was no accident. The Stoops simply must see themselves as being northern FFers to have endorsed this decision by such a majority.
The 53 who voted no don't agree.
 

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Claire has no-where else to go unless she goes proper Independent- maybe will try to top Eastwood put she hasn’t the numbers- she just thinks she has-
The SDLP has never been a real political party. It has always been a loose coalition that was designed to gather the votes of non-violent Irish nationalists no matter where they sat on the left-middle-right political spectrum.
 

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I do know what I'm talking about. SF have abdicated their responsibility to the Irish people by being off the field while the British Parliament is going to decide on Brexit.
Sidey is bang on, you haven't a clue.
 

bang bang

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There is no way that a democratic party would give support to the political wing of an active paramilitary group. SDLP were a beacon in the nightmare that the provos inflicted on this country, north and south.
You're dealing with a pseudo leftie a west brit Brit partionist clown and that's being kind.
 

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What I found fascinating was the size of the vote in favour of partnering up with FF at 121 to 53.

This was no accident. The Stoops simply must see themselves as being northern FFers to have endorsed this decision by such a majority.
Not entirely true, as evidenced by the resignations.
Some thoughts:The profile of the SDLP is increasingly elderly, and it was always a fairly broad coalition. It's just that, due to it's failure to recruit new younger members, its profile has become more conservative.
Paddy Devlin must be turning in grave. If hell exists, the toerag Gerry Fitt is down there wiping Satan's arse.
 

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So the SF's political direction is effectively decided by how the Express group or the Sun might respond?
AFAIK 1919-1921 didn't meet the approval of the Beaverbrooks of the day either.

A pity SF didn't consider the reaction of the British media when they were attacking what the media calls as the mainland in the day!
Actually you've missed the point here. The fact that one of the central planks that the Conservative party use to attack Corbyn, is his link to Sinn Fein back in the 1980s, suggests that it goes much further than the Sun/Express readership.
Anyway the Sun, in particular, is influential in winning the minds of the stupid. They have votes too. :)
Which of course is why Brexit is actually a thing now - proven at least partially by voting statistics analysis.
 

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Will this lead to the refounding of the Nationalist Party or Unity or the Irish Independence Party?
No, because that is what the SDLP have now just become. Those three examples were unashamedly conservative Catholic nationalist parties. The early SDLP had a moderate socialist platform and had a visible Protestant presence, if small in real terms, including Ivan Cooper, John Turnley and Claude Wilton who were the most notable.
What it might actually lead to is the is the formation of a new nationalist-leaning, liberal, social democratic party, based upon the founding principles of the SDLP back in the early 1970s.
What is happening is idiotic. The SDLP's demographic is slowly filing through "the departure gate", and the link with FF is a disaster for them. I voted for them fairly constantly since the 1970s but became disillusioned with them around seven or eight years ago.
Claire Hanna's views represent my thinking, even though I am much older than her. Such a pity. She was the brightest star among the new generation, and they've thrown her overboard.
 

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It's interesting that FF might have thought this could have been a way to bat away accusations that they have devolved into a pressure group for the dwindling cohort of elderly rural bead-rattlers.

Instead they are simply reinforcing that image as that is precisely the demographic of the rump SDLP they are now merging with.

I'll be interesting to see if the likes of Claire Hanna form a new party. There is definitely room for a young energetic left/liberal social-democratic party. On both sides of the border, actually. We could do with our own version of AOC to light things up a bit, the established parties are very stale and tired and mostly stuck in the 1880s, the 1950s, or the 1980s.
 

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It's interesting that FF might have thought this could have been a way to bat away accusations that they have devolved into a pressure group for the dwindling cohort of elderly rural bead-rattlers.

Instead they are simply reinforcing that image as that is precisely the demographic of the rump SDLP they are now merging with.

I'll be interesting to see if the likes of Claire Hanna form a new party. There is definitely room for a young energetic left/liberal social-democratic party. On both sides of the border, actually. We could do with our own version of AOC to light things up a bit, the established parties are very stale and tired and mostly stuck in the 1880s, the 1950s, or the 1980s.
Any new party has to be an all island party , with an all island agenda. Any party that ,like the SDLP, believes it can cross the unionist loyalist divide, while ignoring the elephant in the room that is loyalist sectarianism has not a hope in hell of impacting on Sinn Fein. The unionists will just have to remain stewing in their own sectarian juice until they have evaporated to the stinking mess in the house that they are fast becoming.
 

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Any new party has to be an all island party , with an all island agenda. Any party that ,like the SDLP, believes it can cross the unionist loyalist divide, while ignoring the elephant in the room that is loyalist sectarianism has not a hope in hell of impacting on Sinn Fein. The unionists will just have to remain stewing in their own sectarian juice until they have evaporated to the stinking mess in the house that they are fast becoming.
Translation: Themuns...

Thankfully we have non sectarian outreachers like ferryman to show us the way...
 

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Translation: Themuns...

Thankfully we have non sectarian outreachers like ferryman to show us the way...
The only way you can outrun reunification is to breed.

:)

You have no arguments. You had 80 years to yourself running the place and it was an unqualified disaster, a carnivale of sectarian triumphalism.

Irish Catholics, by our nature, are fairly spineless, but even we have our limits.
 

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I still fail to see how a Social democrat party can join up with a conservative party. The swing in party policy between Social democrat's and conservatives seems quite large.

Surely it would have made more sense to join up with Irish or UK Labour parties?
 

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I still fail to see how a Social democrat party can join up with a conservative party. The swing in party policy between Social democrat's and conservatives seems quite large.

Surely it would have made more sense to join up with Irish or UK Labour parties?
The left/right of British politics is not so pronounced in Irish politics. More importantly FF are a party which will work towards a united Ireland.
 

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I still fail to see how a Social democrat party can join up with a conservative party. The swing in party policy between Social democrat's and conservatives seems quite large.

Surely it would have made more sense to join up with Irish or UK Labour parties?
UK Labour have soundly refused to countenance any actual standing in NI. As for the irish Labour party, I'm sure the link up with FF is about survival. Definitely not looking good for irish Labour at the minute.
 
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