Anti Drugs Picket In The Sunday World

inchicore_republican

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Found this article in todays Sunday World.Fair play to the people who picketed this play, its sick that this man who has done so much damage to young people in Lower Crumlin and the South Inner City is doing a play about child abuse.

 


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can someone give a bit of background on this guys criminal past?
Yeah he was burnt out of Dolphin House for selling Heroin to local kids so he built a big house off Sundrive Rd in Crumlin which has been shot at many times and was marched on many times in the 90s.

Whale was harpooned on Liveline - Opinion, Frontpage - Herald.ie

The Irish Times - Tue, May 11, 1999 - Arrest of men `raised eyebrows'

Paul Williams, Crime writer for the Sunday World - investigating and reporting on Irish Crime
 

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Ah well if drugs were legalised ruthless individuals like your man wouldn't be a multi millionaire.
 

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And what would be good about legalising drugs?
It would take away the market from organised crime and the manufacture of drugs would be properly regulated, quite frankly that story that came out in the paper I couldn't care less about all the scummy little junkies who are stupid enough to take heroin.

The war on drugs is unwinnable, stop trying to fight an unwinnable war.
 

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well if a heroin addict could go to a doctor for a supply of medical grade heroin he/she'd be a lot less likely to mug others , rob from others cars and houses, enage in degrading prostitution or sell heroin on the streets to pay for his/her illness . That in turn would cut down a great deal on peoples insurance and home security costs , chronic shoplifiting , overcrowded jails , legal aid , lawyers fees etc . Society would imensely benfit from this almost immediately .
A supply of medical grade heroin which costs literally buttons to produce would also be much more healthy for that person , who as long as they could keep their addiction treated by a medical pharmacuetical would be able to lead a life whereby they were contributing to society as opposed to damaging it with anti social behaviour . Bar its addictiveness heroin itself isnt actually bad for you , all the crap and germs that goes into illegal heroin is . Heroin leaves your system very quickly -within 48 hrs theres barely a trace - and is non toxic except in massive doses .
This would in turn greatly ease the expense incurred by our health service in treating ailments such as hepatitis , HIV , aids , skin infections , gangrene amuptations etc which are genrally involved in the consumption of heroin thats been smuggled half way accross the world up half a dozen different peoples ars*holes before being cut with rat posion , brick dust and god knows what else prior to subcutaneous injection into a persons blood stream.
Not to mention the frequent physical injuries that go hand in hand with a life of petty crime and prostitution - beatings , stabbings etc .

Thens theres the massive illegal profits the dealers accrue , their need to take over entire streets and estates to protect the turf from which those profits are accrued . Which entails guns , gangsters , hitmen , rithless intimidation of ordinary citizens , recruiting disadvantaged youngsters directly into a get rich quick life of crime and gangster culture . Which pretty much f*cks your area up big style . Leads to more hoplessness and despair , which of course leads to more drug abuse and all the ills which go with it.

heroin addiction is an illness . Whats wrong with treating an illness ? why must such treatment be illegal when theres absolutely no cost to society from treating it with medical grade pharmacueticals , which happen to be called heroin - a mere opiate derivative like many others which are currently legal to treat people with ? like heroin itself once was until people started using it recreationally .
 

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This really is a hard call,certainly if you legalise all drugs you would diminish the market of the drug lords but you could be sending out the message to young people that drugs are "cool" and that they are not dangerous.
 

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This really is a hard call,certainly if you legalise all drugs you would diminish the market of the drug lords but you could be sending out the message to young people that drugs are "cool" and that they are not dangerous.
Hasn't the government been running anti smoking campaigns since the 1980's, usage would probably eventually go down as the market will be properly regulated and lets face reality in Ireland Irish people don't like following rules.
 

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This really is a hard call,certainly if you legalise all drugs you would diminish the market of the drug lords but you could be sending out the message to young people that drugs are "cool" and that they are not dangerous.
personally i dont agree with , or am not yet convinced , with the argument for total legalisation of all drugs .
I am however completely convinced that the only logical and dignified manner in which to approach the particular drug which has wreaked most havoc - heroin - is for it to be legalised under medical supervision for registered addicts . That odes not mean all drugs should be legalised . Simply that people who have a registered illness - a heroin addiction - should have the most effective and dignified treatemnt for it . Medical grade heroin under supervision and counselling .
 

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personally i dont agree with , or am not yet convinced , with the argument for total legalisation of all drugs .
I am however completely convinced that the only logical and dignified manner in which to approach the particular drug which has wreaked most havoc - heroin - is for it to be legalised under medical supervision for registered addicts . That odes not mean all drugs should be legalised . Simply that people who have a registered illness - a heroin addiction - should have the most effective and dignified treatemnt for it . Medical grade heroin under supervision and counselling .
Have to agree with most of that, the present structures are not working.
 

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It would take away the market from organised crime and the manufacture of drugs would be properly regulated, quite frankly that story that came out in the paper I couldn't care less about all the scummy little junkies who are stupid enough to take heroin.

The war on drugs is unwinnable, stop trying to fight an unwinnable war.
Its obvious you don't care. If one of them was a child of yours you might change your mind.
 

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well if a heroin addict could go to a doctor for a supply of medical grade heroin he/she'd be a lot less likely to mug others , rob from others cars and houses, enage in degrading prostitution or sell heroin on the streets to pay for his/her illness . That in turn would cut down a great deal on peoples insurance and home security costs , chronic shoplifiting , overcrowded jails , legal aid , lawyers fees etc . Society would imensely benfit from this almost immediately .
A supply of medical grade heroin which costs literally buttons to produce would also be much more healthy for that person , who as long as they could keep their addiction treated by a medical pharmacuetical would be able to lead a life whereby they were contributing to society as opposed to damaging it with anti social behaviour . Bar its addictiveness heroin itself isnt actually bad for you , all the crap and germs that goes into illegal heroin is . Heroin leaves your system very quickly -within 48 hrs theres barely a trace - and is non toxic except in massive doses .
This would in turn greatly ease the expense incurred by our health service in treating ailments such as hepatitis , HIV , aids , skin infections , gangrene amuptations etc which are genrally involved in the consumption of heroin thats been smuggled half way accross the world up half a dozen different peoples ars*holes before being cut with rat posion , brick dust and god knows what else prior to subcutaneous injection into a persons blood stream.
Not to mention the frequent physical injuries that go hand in hand with a life of petty crime and prostitution - beatings , stabbings etc .

Thens theres the massive illegal profits the dealers accrue , their need to take over entire streets and estates to protect the turf from which those profits are accrued . Which entails guns , gangsters , hitmen , rithless intimidation of ordinary citizens , recruiting disadvantaged youngsters directly into a get rich quick life of crime and gangster culture . Which pretty much f*cks your area up big style . Leads to more hoplessness and despair , which of course leads to more drug abuse and all the ills which go with it.

heroin addiction is an illness . Whats wrong with treating an illness ? why must such treatment be illegal when theres absolutely no cost to society from treating it with medical grade pharmacueticals , which happen to be called heroin - a mere opiate derivative like many others which are currently legal to treat people with ? like heroin itself once was until people started using it recreationally .
That is all rational, except it leaves out capitalism. If legalised, do you think production would go up or down?

I am absolutely sure the current campaign to legalise Class A drugs needs to be opposed. There is a concerted campaign coming from Soros Open Society and hundreds of other Soros-sponsored organisations. I have read it from the British army in Afghanistan in the last three months - the same line.
The last pro-legalisation article someone linked here, taking the trouble to start a thread to do so, was by Mischa Glenny, the spook son of a British intelligence agent. Glenny was up to his ears in the Balkans and now he's moved into this.

Perhaps governments have decided they want the taxation: traditionally the drugs trade has been used by the CIA and other intelligence agencies to fund illegal operations - (Iran Contra and Lockerbie are footnotes in that history) - they must have contingency to replace that. They undoubtedly like the so-called "True Republican" here have contempt for the "scummy little junkies" they create. So far as they are concerned the more stupified population the better.
 

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Ok, I am a bit confused here, this guy "The Whale" was a drug dealer criminal and he spends time in prison and starts writing plays and restarts his life as a playwright. He is to be ostracised then? WTF, Surely he is what we would wish most criminals would become? Christian society my ar*e! :roll:
 


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