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Anti-Semitism In The Nationalist Community


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"I have never seen people so hated of Jews. There are anti-Semites in Germany, there are anti-semites all over the world. This kind of hatred that I found - and Derry is a small place. I have never seen so much."

 

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The ugly face of some in the CNR community's anti-semitic views has been raised yet and again in a video showing nationalists spouting anti-semitic abuse has been released...
There didn't seem to be too many people in the bar. There's less than six. If he's never seen such hatred anywhere else, he's obviously referring to smaller events.

"He’s a playwright, as was noted very clearly and unambiguously in the OP. He came looking for a drama and was given it on a plate."

Do you think Slick is scrapping the end of the barrel, and perhaps exaggerating the depth of Anti-Semiticism?

Do you think Slick is a bit prejudiced towards Bogsiders due to his presentation of the Bogside as somewhere you will encounter the 'real deal' with Anti-Semiticism?

Is Slick still a Stoop, or have I got my Nordies mixed up?
 

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"I have never seen people so hated of Jews. There are anti-Semites in Germany, there are anti-semites all over the world. This kind of hatred that I found - and Derry is a small place. I have never seen so much."

That's gas.
 

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"I have never seen people so hated of Jews. There are anti-Semites in Germany, there are anti-semites all over the world. This kind of hatred that I found - and Derry is a small place. I have never seen so much."
I've never seen so few, people in a pub. There must be less than 6 people there? I thought Slugger died off years ago. I'd love to know what the world renowned filmmaker thinks a small gathering looks like..
 

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FFS children in Ireland were being taught that the Jews crucified Christ well, into the '60's , 20 years after the Holocaust and up until Vatican 2 when it was suposed to have been done away with. The same people who deny that there's any anti-semitism are usually the same people who deny sectarianism in the republican/nationalist movements. Ireland is not unique it has to be said.
I'm not sure I've ever spoken to a Jew and I'm walking around for the last sixty odd years mostly in Ireland. If I was antisemitic to any extent it would be a frustrating business. I come from Laois where the incredibly ignorant simpleton Oliver J Flanagan topped the poll for years and I'm sure some of those types are still around but I've heard all sorts of slander about black people and others from a small minority but I've never heard a word about Jews. Tenenbaum is actually a very funny and clever individual but he has an irrational belief that all Europeans are anti-semitic if you scratch them when perhaps the truth is that we are mostly entirely indifferent. In fact in one lecture he remarks that Europeans 'no longer believe that Jesus even existed -but we killed him anyway'
 
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"He came looking for a drama and was given it on a plate."
"I have never seen people so hated of Jews. There are anti-Semites in Germany, there are anti-semites all over the world. This kind of hatred that I found - and Derry is a small place. I have never seen so much."
We're talking about 5-6 people in a bar. Fealty and Tenenbaum are trying to pass it off as the Nuremberg masses.

The clowns in that Bogside pub are ignorant muppets who obviously cannot differentiate between Jews and the government of Israel, and confuse bigotry with the championing of the cause of a genuinely oppressed minority.
The source of the story is Slugger O'Toole, so I'm skeptical about its authenticity, but apart from that, burying your head in the sand when confronted with that level of sectarian or racial hatred doesn't work, and neither does pretending it's a bit of teenage tom-foolery. If you afford Sectarianism the same respect you would a motor-vehicle crossing the road and keep it at a safe enough distance, you can prevent it from poisoning everything around you, including your dignity, your self-respect and your humanity when it forces you to lower yourself to their level, as sometimes people are left with few alternatives to deal with the type of degenerate, subhuman excrement you have described as mere 'clowns', and they aren't worth breaking a sweat for, because Karma will eventually pay them back with their own coin.

If they are Republicans, when is the Court Martial, what will the punishment be? If they are Loyalists, I doubt that they will be hauled before the Courts either. If they are regulars, well we know what they can get away with. What that means is that they have a license to say what they want, to who they want and when they want. Given you the benefit of the doubt that you are not like them, your biggest mistake, is to think that they are stupid. They're not. Have you ever seen a hungry vulture? Look around you. They are in power, everywhere you look, and in a lot of instances, the so-called Left are in Kahoots with them. That is the nature of Leninism. That is why People Before Profit are closer to fellow Brexiteers such as the English Defense League, the British National Party, the United Kingdom Independence Party and Hamas than they are to anyone else bar none. 99% of the working class don't vote for Trots and think middle class punks like Richard Boyd Barrett, Eamon McCann and Paul Murphy are scum.

On a secondary but related point the Irish republican movement should tread a bit more carefully before involving itself in the complex quarrels of other nations and peoples.
"The only thing wrong with Hitler is that he didn't kill enough Jews."

What exactly do you mean when you say: "On a secondary but related point the Irish republican movement should tread a bit more carefully before involving itself in the complex quarrels of other nations and peoples?"

How can Anti-Sectarianism be one of the 6 primary tenets and fundamentals of Irish Republicanism, and at the same time, 'a secondary but related issue to the Irish republican movement?' That is simply not possible, and at every juncture of Republican history thus far that the Republican Movement ventured away from its core ideology and primary principles, as it did with Sectarianism during the period of the Republican Congress, it led to unmitigated disaster and defeat. A Movement willing to accept and embrace that level of scumbag behavior, will begin in the gutter, and end in the gutter, regardless of its 'ideology.' Sectarianism will poison you, quicker than it will its Reverends and Rabbi's, and your next biggest mistake, is to think otherwise.

Last year Sinn Fein were erecting the flag of Catalonia here in the north, unaware that one of the main incentives propelling the independence movement there was its relative wealth compared to the rest of Spain, and the determination of the separatists to keep it all for themselves. Hardly the motives of socialists and egalitarians.
Well, as you can see everywhere you turn the DUP, FF, Fine Gael, the Tories and Trump are pulling all of the strings, and not the Left and SF. The only successful Trot policy was Brexit, and I think the Trots are more responsible than anyone else for creating what appears to be an atmosphere of Anti-Semiticism in Derry, that didn't exist before they showed up. Even if they weren't Republicans, they are the automatic suspects, and that boils down to the alliances they made with Leninists. I can't wait to read Kitty Hollands biting rebukement of Poppa Poison, but there's a fat chance of that happening..

Things are never as simple as they seem.
Wrong. There is nothing difficult about not being a pig-ignorant bigoted racist.

Palestine is a very clear cut case of good versus evil. The problem is that the Shinners supports the traitors and corrupt trash of Fatah and not Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Palestine (IJP are the best of the best).

Either you believe in the right of nations to self-determination or you do not. If you do you should support the Catalan demands.
"I think it’s really important that SF, PBP and any other party that’s explicitly pro-Palestine make a point of educating their supporters about antisemitism (not just condemning it, explaining what it is and why it’s wrong)." - Slugger O'Stalker

At what point in history did Irish Republicans become answerable to people like Gino Kenny, Richard Boyd Barrett and Eamon McCann, Joe Higgins, Mick Murphy, Paul Murphy, Clare Daly, Mick Wallace and Mick Fealty?
 
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I'm not sure I've ever spoken to a Jew and I'm walking around for the last sixty odd years mostly in Ireland. If I was antisemitic to any extent it would be a frustrating business. I come from Laois where the incredibly ignorant simpleton Oliver J Flanagan topped the poll for years and I'm sure some of those types are still around but I've heard all sorts of slander about black people and others from a small minority but I've never heard a word about Jews. Tenenbaum is actually a very funny and clever individual but he has an irrational belief that all Europeans are anti-semitic if you scratch them when perhaps the truth is that we are mostly entirely indifferent. In fact in one lecture he remarks that Europeans 'no longer believe that Jesus even existed -but we killed him anyway'
It is pretty evident that he is an extremely insecure little man. He has only said that he favours fully ethnically cleansing the remaining indigenous population from Eretz Israel/Palestine and that if anyone objects they are an anti-Semite. Zionism needs anti-Semitism to justify itself as it has achieved the opposite of what it set out to achieve in many cases in terms of it's internal goals.
 

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The first was the 1966 Belfast Corporation by-election in which the Ulster Unionist candidate was the late Harold Smith, a prominent Jewish businessman.
An election leaflet for his opponent in the campaign, Mrs Ian Paisley (now Baroness Paisley), stated that:
"The Ulster Unionist Party are boasting that he is a Jew. As a Jew he rejects our New Testament, Protestant principles, the Glorious Revolution and the sanctity of the Lord's Day. Mr Smith is not, and cannot be, a traditional unionist, the Protestant Throne and Constitution are nothing to him."


The leaflet is quoted both in Ed Maloney's Paisley: From Demagogue to Democrat (2008) as well as in the earlier biography of Ian Paisley which Mr Maloney wrote with Andy Pollak.


No member of the Paisley family has ever disowned the views expressed in that leaflet.


The other incident was a documentary made by the Jewish journalist Jon Ronson about a trip to Cameroon he made with Ian Paisley.


Mr Ronson captured on film a car journey in which Ian Paisley repeatedly quoted to him William Joyce's wartime radio call signal "Germany calling. Germany calling." Mr Ronson wrote later that this was tactless.


Some people might think that it was a good deal worse than tactless - indeed to use the call signal of a supporter of Nazism in order to mock a Jewish man seems more like anti-semitism than a mere lapse of taste.

Throughout the trip, Ronson says Paisley made a number of anti-Semitic comments, directing many of his remarks towards the filmmaker himself: "He had three nicknames for me — one was ‘the Jew’, another one was ‘my Jewish friend’ and the third one was ‘my circumcised friend.'”
Thanks for the info .... I suppose it should be no surprise really as these people mostly hate everyone.

But still, someone should remind wee ferret faced Nelson mccausland of this next time he’s slabbering on about NI prods being one of the lost tribes of Israel...
 

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Thanks for the info .... I suppose it should be no surprise really as these people mostly hate everyone.

But still, someone should remind wee ferret faced Nelson mccausland of this next time he’s slabbering on about NI prods being one of the lost tribes of Israel...
I remember watching a documentary about the Big Mon's missionary work in Africa and when he found out that journalist making the documentary was a Jew he constantly teased him about it, the whole thing was hilarious.
 

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"I have never seen people so hated of Jews. There are anti-Semites in Germany, there are anti-semites all over the world. This kind of hatred that I found - and Derry is a small place. I have never seen so much."

Yes Bridget we get it, there are moronic racists in the CRN community who say awful things about Jews ....

You seem fixated on this whilst ignoring the much more prevalent & serious racists in your own community who actually burn out, intimidate & expel any foreigners they encounter ....

“Local housing for local people” is what a few loyalist genius’s have recently put on their campaign posters .... you seem oblivious to all this more serious stuff though ...

why’s that now ?

I guess it’s as ratio said, you’re basically trying to equivocate and say “look they’re racist too” ..... is that it ?

Can ye not spot the difference in the two scenarios?
 

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It is pretty evident that he is an extremely insecure little man. He has only said that he favours fully ethnically cleansing the remaining indigenous population from Eretz Israel/Palestine and that if anyone objects they are an anti-Semite. Zionism needs anti-Semitism to justify itself as it has achieved the opposite of what it set out to achieve in many cases in terms of it's internal goals.
I'll have to take your word for that but it does not square with what he said about Palestinians in the lectures that I saw on Youtube. I'll admit that he does display an ability to put to one side any inconvenient facts or evidence so ... I'd like to see a link if you have one.
 

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I have remarked on here before about being struck by the vicious sectarianism in the Northern Ireland forum and the fact that many of the worst of the contributors there are the exact same ones who post against Israel with markedly similar sentiment. Many of them ricochet from the NI threads to the Israel threads, and they’re full of the exact same guff in both. What was found in that Derry bar can very regularly be found on here, too.
 

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I'll have to take your word for that but it does not square with what he said about Palestinians in the lectures that I saw on Youtube. I'll admit that he does display an ability to put to one side any inconvenient facts or evidence so ... I'd like to see a link if you have one.
He said it in the discussion he had with Peter Beinart at some Jewish theatre in New York and addressing Zionist activists in New York. I will look for a link later.
 

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"I have never seen people so hated of Jews. There are anti-Semites in Germany, there are anti-semites all over the world. This kind of hatred that I found - and Derry is a small place. I have never seen so much."

Short version: clown trying to hawk a new book "discovers" evidence designed to promote his new book by talking to drunks in a bar.

Long version: Anti-semitism exists in Ireland. It exists in Derry. To say that there is more anti-Semitism in Derry than, say, Saudi Arabia or parts of continental Europe where Jews have been murdered because of their faith in recent years is insane nonsense.
 

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Short version: clown trying to hawk a new book "discovers" evidence designed to promote his new book by talking to drunks in a bar.

Long version: Anti-semitism exists in Ireland. It exists in Derry. To say that there is more anti-Semitism in Derry than, say, Saudi Arabia or parts of continental Europe where Jews have been murdered because of their faith in recent years is insane nonsense.
Actually one thing the creep is right about is that Muslim anti-Semitism where it exists is a pretty superficial thing and usually tied up directly with Zionism. The Jewish Establishment in France constantly conflates being Jewish with being a Zionist so they should not be surprised when they get blow back from that (and no I do not believe random blow back is justified and yes I very much believe in the rule of law).
 

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Yes Bridget we get it, there are moronic racists in the CRN community who say awful things about Jews ....
Why haven't they been knee-capped for making threats like that?

Short version: clown trying to hawk a new book "discovers" evidence designed to promote his new book by talking to drunks in a bar.

Long version: Anti-semitism exists in Ireland. It exists in Derry. To say that there is more anti-Semitism in Derry than, say, Saudi Arabia or parts of continental Europe where Jews have been murdered because of their faith in recent years is insane nonsense.
They can't hide in Derry forever. Didn't the wife of one of the Bogside patriots write a letter to the papers recently claiming that they were being victimized?

How are a bunch of fat cúnts like that going to protect their families outside of the Bogside?
 

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I'll have to take your word for that but it does not square with what he said about Palestinians in the lectures that I saw on Youtube. I'll admit that he does display an ability to put to one side any inconvenient facts or evidence so ... I'd like to see a link if you have one.
He uses badly the old spiel that Rabbi Meir Kahane used to be the mainstream American press of respecting "Arabs" and in ways respecting them more than he respects Jews, but blah, blah, blah.....They must go! The problem is that the only time you find ethical universalism in Rabbinic Jewish tradition is when it comes under strong either Christian (as in 19 th century Germany) or Islamic influence (as in Spain and the Yemen and to a lesser degree North Africa). Also ideas of mercy and forgiveness especially towards non-Jews is lacking, sometimes even at the best of times. I am planning a thread on Palestinian historic Islamic culture and will explain to why it has the capacity to heal the division between the indigenous population and colonists- the thing is that the colonists have nothing in their culture to help in this regards. Even Yossi Klein Halevi who if anything is a bigger creep in my estimation than Tuvia Tenenbom admitted this about Palestinian Islam. He didn't admit it about Rabbinic Jewish culture even though as an ex-Kahanist I am sure he knows all the Religious sources (roc of course would be completely ignorant of them so he can be forgiven)- he grew up around Christians in the United States and I think he supposed conversion from Kahanism came down to wanting to seem a good person in the eyes of others which is kind of pathetic when you think about.

 
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