'Apartheid' Mindset Appears to be Alive and Well - Israeli Poll Indicates Support for 'Apartheid' Policies

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They were Jordanian between 1948 and 1967...the West Bank is the west bank of Jordan, not the east bank of Israel. They'd be Jordanian still if they and the Jordanians weren't the sneaky backstabbing bastards that they are.
Ah good, former wesleyan is here with his extension of judgement from a king to his entire countrymen.
i wonder will he call all Israelis war criminals because of Sharon.
 


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It's only becuase of the content. The Guardian people know exactly who Gidon Levy is and would jump on anything he writes if it fits them right.



The content of another poll doesn't seem to bother those good souls, not you, who've been disturbed by this specific poll:

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=229493"]80% of the Palestinians - all jews should be killed

Nowhere in the article does it state they believe all Jews should be killed, it says they agree with a hadith.

73% of 1,010 Palestinians in W. Bank, Gaza agree with 'hadith' quoted in Hamas Charter about the need to kill Jews hiding behind stones, trees.

except the hadith does not speak of any need or order to kill Jews. The hadith says that before the day of Judgement there will be a war between Muslims and Jews, and that the very rocks and trees will go against the Jews.

“The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews.
The Jew will hide behind stones or trees.
Then the stones or trees will call:
‘Oh Muslim, servant of God, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’”


It is not an order of any kind, it is a description of what will happen right before Judgement day.
 

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Nowhere in the article does it state they believe all Jews should be killed, it says they agree with a hadith.

73% of 1,010 Palestinians in W. Bank, Gaza agree with 'hadith' quoted in Hamas Charter about the need to kill Jews hiding behind stones, trees.

except the hadith does not speak of any need or order to kill Jews. The hadith says that before the day of Judgement there will be a war between Muslims and Jews, and that the very rocks and trees will go against the Jews.

“The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews.
The Jew will hide behind stones or trees.
Then the stones or trees will call:
‘Oh Muslim, servant of God, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’”


It is not an order of any kind, it is a description of what will happen right before Judgement day.

Typical verbal gymnastics.
 

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The only one guilty of verbal gymnastics is the one who said the hadith says to kill all Jews.
What f*ck else could it mean except a command to kill all the Jews?

“The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews.
The Jew will hide behind stones or trees.
Then the stones or trees will call:
‘Oh Muslim, servant of God, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’”
It couldn't be more f*cking plain.
 

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What f*ck else could it mean except a command to kill all the Jews?



It couldn't be more f*cking plain.
How thick are you?

The hadith says that before the day of Judgement there will be a war between Muslims and Jews, and that the very rocks and trees will go against the Jews. It is not an order of any kind, it is a description of what will happen right before Judgement day.
 

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The blacks were lead by others as is clear to anyone who studies the whole thing.
Nelson Mandela was the puppet of whom exactly? The reds under the bed?

No, I've studied it in a cold-eyed manner and am not emotionally invested in it.
The "cold-eyed manner" which inspired such rational language as "white liberal scumtards"?

I have a feeling you might be kidding yourself. You're not kidding me.

The difference is that the violence of the white man in Africa has been overemphasized and the violence of blacks against whites (especially in post-Apartheid South Africa) is downplayed, concealed, covered up.
In what way have the Belgians, British, Dutch, Germans etc been held to account for their butchery of so many of the people who got in the way of their greed for the lands of other people?

Who is "covering up" black violence against whites in Africa? I've seen far greater sympathy extended to white farmers in Zimbabwe than to the blacks who also suffered greatly at the hands of Mugabe's death squads.

Black-on-White crime is also concealed in the USA and Britain.
"Concealed" by whom? The British tabloids? By Fox news?

Or is it the "white liberal scumtards" again. The ones who own so many media outlets.
 

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Ah good, former wesleyan is here with his extension of judgement from a king to his entire countrymen.
i wonder will he call all Israelis war criminals because of Sharon.
Don't get cute !! ;) Of course I meant the Jordanian " establishment ".
 

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How thick are you?

The hadith says that before the day of Judgement there will be a war between Muslims and Jews, and that the very rocks and trees will go against the Jews.
It is not an order of any kind, it is a description of what will happen right before Judgement day
.
Try preaching that and see how long your head stays on your shoulders.
 

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They were Jordanian between 1948 and 1967...the West Bank is the west bank of Jordan, not the east bank of Israel. They'd be Jordanian still if they and the Jordanians weren't the sneaky backstabbing bastards that they are.
When the object of your affections admits to racist tendencies, it's a good idea to demonise the victims of those tendencies. It happens all the time. There's a lot of blatant racism on show on this thread, most of it pouring forth from Israel's die-hard supporters.

I note that Gideon Levy has commented on the "shamelessness" of the views of so many of his fellow countrymen and women. That "shamelessness" pervades your posts too.
 

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Don't get cute !! ;) Of course I meant the Jordanian " establishment ".
It would appear the shamelessness extends to shameless dishonesty in your case.

I have a strong feeling you did not merely "mean the Jordanian establishment".

Here's what you wrote:

They'd be Jordanian still if they and the Jordanians weren't the sneaky backstabbing bastards that they are.
To whom were you referring to as "they"?
 

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It would appear the shamelessness extends to shameless dishonesty in your case.

I have a strong feeling you did not merely "mean the Jordanian establishment".

Here's what you wrote:



To whom were you referring to as "they"?
What passes - God help us - for leadership in the Palestinian community and the Jordanian body politic.
 

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What passes - God help us - for leadership in the Palestinian community and the Jordanian body politic.
Glad you cleared that one up.

Those elected by the Palestinians are mere "backstabbing bastards". I presume you would collectively demonise those who voted for them too. In fact, I have a feeling you've done so on numerous occasions.

On the other hand, Israeli leaders like Sharon have merely worked hand in glove with the perpetrators of war crimes like Sabra and Chatila, have ordered shells full of needles to be used against civilian targets, and have commanded their forces to use phosphorous munitions against heavily built-up areas in Gaza.

The Israeli state worked closely with Apartheid South Africa. It has maintained good working relations with many regional despots, such as Mubarak's Egyptian dictatorship, the Wahabi fundamentalists of Saudi Arabia, and the "Jordanian backstabbers" too. The murderous Shah of Iran was quite a hit with Israeli leaders too.

They have stood over attack after attack on UN facilities, including the massacre at Q'ana. They have dropped millions of cluster bomblets over Lebanon following their latest obliteration of civilian areas of that country.

They have lied and lied about a 'peace-process' all the while conquering more and more land upon which a "viable" Palestinian state is supposed to be constructed.

If only the Palestinians had been reasonable, none of the above would have happened.
 

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'describing Israel as a “racist” or “apartheid” state' illegal in California

California passes resolution defining criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism | Global Research
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It wasn't too hard to find a real source for HR 35, and while some elements of it are highly objectionable*, criticism of Israel has not become "illegal" as you state.

Here's the HuffPo Stephen Zunes: California State Assembly Seeks to Stifle Debate on Israel which raises many points, some good, some not so good.

And some more discussion and additional info from rightside news:
HR 35 & the Boundaries of Academic Free Speech | US Opinion and Editorial Right Side News


*some of the language is very vague, and some parts should really apply to all countries equally.
 

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It wasn't too hard to find a real source for HR 35, and while some elements of it are highly objectionable*, criticism of Israel has not become "illegal" as you state.

Here's the HuffPo Stephen Zunes: California State Assembly Seeks to Stifle Debate on Israel which raises many points, some good, some not so good.

And some more discussion and additional info from rightside news:
HR 35 & the Boundaries of Academic Free Speech | US Opinion and Editorial Right Side News
*some of the language is very vague, and some parts should really apply to all countries equally.
You can read the full resolution here on the Government website:

HR 35 Assembly House Resolution - AMENDED

According to the resolution the following is now considered as anti-semitic hate speech;



• “language or behavior [that] demonizes and delegitimizes Israel;”

• “speakers, films, and exhibits” that indicate that “Israel is guilty of heinous crimes against humanity such as ethnic cleansing and genocide;”

• describing Israel as a “racist” or “apartheid” state;

• “student-and faculty-sponsored boycott, divestment, and sanction campaigns against Israel;”

• “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination;”

• “applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation;”
 

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Glad you cleared that one up.

Those elected by the Palestinians are mere "backstabbing bastards". I presume you would collectively demonise those who voted for them too. In fact, I have a feeling you've done so on numerous occasions.

On the other hand, Israeli leaders like Sharon have merely worked hand in glove with the perpetrators of war crimes like Sabra and Chatila, have ordered shells full of needles to be used against civilian targets, and have commanded their forces to use phosphorous munitions against heavily built-up areas in Gaza.

The Israeli state worked closely with Apartheid South Africa. It has maintained good working relations with many regional despots, such as Mubarak's Egyptian dictatorship, the Wahabi fundamentalists of Saudi Arabia, and the "Jordanian backstabbers" too. The murderous Shah of Iran was quite a hit with Israeli leaders too.

They have stood over attack after attack on UN facilities, including the massacre at Q'ana. They have dropped millions of cluster bomblets over Lebanon following their latest obliteration of civilian areas of that country.

They have lied and lied about a 'peace-process' all the while conquering more and more land upon which a "viable" Palestinian state is supposed to be constructed.

If only the Palestinians had been reasonable, none of the above would have happened.
You said it.
 

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You can read the full resolution here on the Government website:

HR 35 Assembly House Resolution - AMENDED

According to the resolution the following is now considered as anti-semitic hate speech;



• “language or behavior [that] demonizes and delegitimizes Israel;”

• “speakers, films, and exhibits” that indicate that “Israel is guilty of heinous crimes against humanity such as ethnic cleansing and genocide;”

• describing Israel as a “racist” or “apartheid” state;

• “student-and faculty-sponsored boycott, divestment, and sanction campaigns against Israel;”

• “denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination;”

• “applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation;”

The above is from the following paragraph discussing a working definition of antisemitism that already exists and has nothing to do with HR 35:


The United States Department of State, the United Kingdom' s All-Party Parliamentary Group Against Anti-semitism Antisemitism , and the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe have adopted or endorsed the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights' working definition of anti-Semitism, which notes that in context certain language or behavior demonizes and delegitimizes Israel or attacks Israel with classic anti-Semitic stereotypes, such as denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation, drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli police to that of the Nazis, and accusing the Jewish people, or Israel, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust;

The part that you quote in bold is from the following paragraph, again laying out the reasons for HR 35 and not being created by it:


Over the last decade some Jewish students on public postsecondary education institution campuses in California have experienced the following: (1) physical aggression, harassment, and intimidation by members of student or community groups in student-sponsored protests and rallies held on campus; (2) speakers, films, and exhibits sponsored by student, faculty, and community groups that engage in anti-Semitic discourse or use anti-Semitic imagery and language to falsely describe Israel, Zionists, and Jews, including that Israel is a racist, apartheid, or Nazi state, that Israel is guilty of heinous crimes against humanity such as ethnic cleansing and genocide, that the Jewish state should be destroyed, that violence against Jews is justified, that Jews exaggerate the Holocaust as a tool of Zionist propaganda, and that Jews in America wield excessive power over American foreign policy; (3) swastikas and other anti-Semitic graffiti in residential halls, public areas on campus, and Hillel houses; (4) student- and faculty-sponsored boycott, divestment, and sanction campaigns against Israel that are a means of demonizing Israel and seek to harm the Jewish state; (5) actions of student groups that encourage support for terrorist organizations such as Hamas and Hezbollah and openly advocate terrorism against Israel and the Jewish people; and (6) suppression and disruption of free speech that present Israel's point of view;

So, HR 35 has not created these things.

I suggest that you just read the links you yourself post.
 
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You said it.
Of course, it's all the fault of the Palestinians. If only they'd simply allowed millions of people from Europe to just take over their cities towns and villages there would have been no problem. They deserve all the suffering they've endured, don't they.

That kind of lunatic thinking underpins much of the 'thinking' of Israel's die-hard cheerleaders. I suppose it's little wonder they don't mind showing themselves to be deeply racist while they're at it.
 

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Of course, it's all the fault of the Palestinians. If only they'd simply allowed millions of people from Europe to just take over their cities towns and villages there would have been no problem. They deserve all the suffering they've endured, don't they.

That kind of lunatic thinking underpins much of the 'thinking' of Israel's die-hard cheerleaders. I suppose it's little wonder they don't mind showing themselves to be deeply racist while they're at it.
You really do show ignorance. Even just looking at the West Bank.......never mind the state of Israel, Jews have settled on the West Bank for centuries. Jewish 'settlements' like Hebron have existed for centuries and right throughout the centuries of Ottoman rule. Many other Jewish settlements were established under British Mandatory administration prior to the establishment of the State of Israel. The only time, in the last thousand years or more, Jews were not allowed settle the West bank was for the 19 years Jordan illegally occupied it. The plaestinians.....and people like you, see this illegal expulsion of Jews from their communities as justification for Jews to re establish those communities there.

And as for your ignorant point about millions of people from Europe taking over cities? How do yopu think modern day America, Auatralia etc came about? You need to look in the mirror to see racism
 


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