Appeal: Save Vinegar Hill 1798 battle site

Dame_Enda

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Reports on social media of plans to build houses and a nursing home on Vinegar Hill.

The historian Damien Shiels has tweeted that anyone who wants to lodge objections should do so this week.

Irelands record on preserving national monuments leaves much to be desired as the fate of the Viking site at Woodquay, the Rock of Tara, and Carrickmines Castle show.

 


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I doubt they would build apartments and a nursing home on top of a steep hill.
Its probably just in the vicinity somewhere, and some local NIMBY is using this as his angle to gather objections.

Wasn't that the battle where the rebels lost after they pissed on their own gunpowder?
Not sure why the modern Irishman should take the place seriously anyway, if those lads didn't at the time.
 

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Three cheers for the United Irishmen and to hell with protestants !
 

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Three cheers for the United Irishmen and to hell with protestants !
Theobald Wolfe Tone was born on 20 June 1763. His family were descended from a French Protestant family who fled to England from Gascony in the 16th century to escape religious persecution. A branch of the family settled in Dublin in the 17th century. Theobald's father, Peter Tone, was a coach-maker who had a farm near Sallins, County Kildare and belonged to the Church of Ireland. His mother came from a Catholic merchant family who converted to Protestantism after Theobald was born.[4] His maternal grandfather was captain of a vessel in the West India trade.[5]
 

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Another trick the " United Irishmen " had was to put protestants into casks, hammer spikes through and roll the casks down the hill.
 

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Why did they pitch a camp on a hill where there is no well / water?

Same thing on dun ailinne in kildare, no water on top and they had to surrender.
 

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Why did they pitch a camp on a hill where there is no well / water?

Same thing on dun ailinne in kildare, no water on top and they had to surrender.
They were better able to survey/observe the enemy from the height of a hill.
What needs must, water would not be the priority when they were being pursued from all sides.
I would think they had carts in attendance with water buckets/containers.
 

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They had beer casks. Who needs water?

So did I get this right - the old folks in the home will be washing in beer?

There was a pub in enniscorthy where they hung up a stuffed crocodile or alligator, and it picked up no end of cobwebs and dust, and smoke fumes, so it was brought down to the river to get scrubbed, and halfway thru the washer headed off for his lunch.

Others saw the croc, called the guards ("are oo sure of that, mary?") and it was surrounded, and to the relief of all didn't launch an attack. Then yer man comes back from his lunch....
 

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They had beer casks. Who needs water?
Yeah but the dopes filled the casks with proddies rather than water. That's Wexford for you though.

Seriously though, is this really happening? Seems kinda odd for a historic site.
 

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Another trick the " United Irishmen " had was to put protestants into casks, hammer spikes through and roll the casks down the hill.
Oh the poor, poor long suffering auld Prods.

Remind me again how many Irish were slaughtered.
 

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Mostly Protestants led the the 1798 Rebellion.
That was a popular toast in Wexford at the time. Protestants were in a minority everwhere except in parts of the north. The Irish Times had somd good myth busting pieces in the 200th anniversery editions.
 

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Oh the poor, poor long suffering auld Prods.

Remind me again how many Irish were slaughtered.
Good to know that the Prods aren't Irish. Always suspected that but couldn't put a finger on it.
 

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The Wexford rebellion started after a leading United Irishman, Anthony Perry, was tortured by the Crown forces. Perry was himself a Protestant originally from Co.Down who was living at Inch on the Wexford-Wicklow border. Pitchcapping involved putting burning tar on a victims head and pulling it off, taking much of a victims skin with it.

 

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Wasn't that the battle where the rebels lost after they pissed on their own gunpowder?
Not sure why the modern Irishman should take the place seriously anyway, if those lads didn't at the time.
It was the Kilkennys who pissed on the gunpowder, hence the reason they are called "The Pissy-Powders".

The battle of Vinegar Hill was lost, but there's a lovely song and some of the battles were won, like Oulart Hill. It's history and more than that, it's a beautiful scenic area that visitors like to visit. It was not a war of Protestant against Catholic, but landholder against serf. The same kind of war was being fought in France and America around the same times.

Ordinary tax payer against the greedy establishment. It will happen again soon, I promise. Pikes to the ready!
 

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Good to know that the Prods aren't Irish. Always suspected that but couldn't put a finger on it.

Strange to say, all the 1798 leaders like tone and lord edward fitzgerald were prods. The church heirarchy was 100% against the united irish, not least because rome had been conquered by the french republic in february 1798.

This was reinvented at the time of the 1898 centenary, when the notion of "faith and fatherland" started.


 

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I doubt they would build apartments and a nursing home on top of a steep hill.
Its probably just in the vicinity somewhere, and some local NIMBY is using this as his angle to gather objections.

Wasn't that the battle where the rebels lost after they pissed on their own gunpowder?
Not sure why the modern Irishman should take the place seriously anyway, if those lads didn't at the time.
Never heard that, have you a link?
 


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