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catlaw5819

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In my daughters school a group of girls were caught stealing from some well known shops while on a school day out. The girls got a day and a half suspension. I think it is a terrible message to deliver to young girls that this is all the punishment they will receive, apparently is was collectively up to €600 worth of items. My daughter and her friends think is was very lenient and they said they can get away with anything now.

What sort of message has this sent out to the young people? Are other schools this lenient as well?
 


Carl Claudius

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In my daughters school a group of girls were caught stealing from some well known shops while on a school day out. The girls got a day and a half suspension. I think it is a terrible message to deliver to young girls that this is all the punishment they will receive, apparently is was collectively up to €600 worth of items. My daughter and her friends think is was very lenient and they said they can get away with anything now.

What sort of message has this sent out to the young people? Are other schools this lenient as well?
it is lenient. the schools rep has been tarnished. the guards should have been notified.


I know of a politician's child who was caught dealing drugs in school. The principal wanted to have them expelled but the politician threatened legal action and the principal backed down.
 

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In my daughters school a group of girls were caught stealing from some well known shops while on a school day out. The girls got a day and a half suspension. I think it is a terrible message to deliver to young girls that this is all the punishment they will receive, apparently is was collectively up to €600 worth of items. My daughter and her friends think is was very lenient and they said they can get away with anything now.

What sort of message has this sent out to the young people? Are other schools this lenient as well?
How old are they? I'd opt for a tougher suspension, but urge the shopowner to prosecute.
 

cricket

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Hard to tell without all the story but it does seem very lenient. I know of one working class secondary school where a pupil was suspended for a week for selling single cigarettes to other pupils.
 

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I would have been more afraid of the reaction of my parents if I was involved in something like that, letting them and the family down as well . No doubt these days it will be the general " ah sure what harm" that's kids for ya ! Frankly they should be threatened with expulsion and then the guards should frighten the ************************ out of them with potential consequences.
 

tigerben

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In my daughters school a group of girls were caught stealing from some well known shops while on a school day out. The girls got a day and a half suspension. I think it is a terrible message to deliver to young girls that this is all the punishment they will receive, apparently is was collectively up to €600 worth of items. My daughter and her friends think is was very lenient and they said they can get away with anything now.

What sort of message has this sent out to the young people? Are other schools this lenient as well?


It depends too on the parents, were the girls made go and say sorry , were parents informed by the school or the gardai. Is there going to be a liaison Garda brought in to the school along with a shop owner on how shop lifting can give you a criminal record and the effects on the shop itself? These girls were'nt shop lifting out of need , children even in these recessionary days get their make brought , the hair extensions brought , the trainers and clothes brought along with at least 20 € weekly and money for discos, and the lastest craze money for meals out on friends birthdays. So it was just the thrill of it.
 

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In my daughters school a group of girls were caught stealing from some well known shops while on a school day out. The girls got a day and a half suspension. I think it is a terrible message to deliver to young girls that this is all the punishment they will receive, apparently is was collectively up to €600 worth of items. My daughter and her friends think is was very lenient and they said they can get away with anything now.

What sort of message has this sent out to the young people? Are other schools this lenient as well?

You may not know the full story outlaw; you can be sure that the shops were consulted.

But you're right about the message being sent out. Never mind being suspended for a day, some sort of recompense would need to have been seen to be done in order to send the right mesage to the whole school. If they went before a Judge community hours would be handed down.

Three hours every Saturday for two months picking chewing gum from the footpath outside the shops they stole from would halt their gallop and send the appropriate message.
 

ger12

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My son started first year this year. A friend of his was jumped by a group of third years at break time. Hurt the poor chap. My son and mates went to the Principal. Who went mad, called in the parents of the group of third years, suspended them for two days, and gave a very "forceful" talk at assembly about how behavior like this wouldn't be tolerated.

I was at first disappointed with the short suspension, but on reflection, I don't think these lads will step out of line again having seen the Principals reaction.
 

jwallz96

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It really comes down to individual school policies, as well as the age of the girls, older girls may receive a larger punishment because they're supposed to be 'more mature'. I do, however, think that such a short suspension is extremely lenient for what is a criminal offence; I've seen people suspended for that long for having the wrong haircut!
 

mr. jings

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Mrs. Jings is a primary school teacher. You'd want to hear the blustering earfuls she gets off some parents for giving even 'thought sheets' to kids caught in flagrante delicto.
 

Blossie

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I assume the girls referred to in the op were teenagers? In my daughters school thankfully the punishments are more fitting to the "crime". A child would get more than a day and a half suspension for stealing ! In fact I know of girls that got a weeks suspension for fighting in the corridor. I hope the parents were informed,this is their chance to put those girls on the right track. The girls should be made to hand back all the merchandise and in order that they realised how much the property was worth they should have to work off the amount in the shops concerned, at minimum wage.A weeks suspension from school in order to carry the work would be more appropriate.If they feel that they "got away" with it this time,what will it be the next time?
 

Thomaso12

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Sounds like the princepal was too lenient, He should of giving them cleaning punishments since in schools these days kids see lenient school rules as a way of showing off how cool they are or trying to fit in. Supension don't ever bother them as they would most likly rather be at home anyways.
 

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Hard to tell without all the story but it does seem very lenient. I know of one working class secondary school where a pupil was suspended for a week for selling single cigarettes to other pupils.
Ah well, that involved cigarettes. In some peoples views that was worse that beatings, abuse, bullying or dare i say....sex before marriage. :eek:
 

richie268

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It depends whether it was a chemist or a grocery store.
 

Watcher2

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Far too lenient. As this was a school trip they should be expelled.
I dont think expulsion is something that can legally happen anymore as each child MUST attend school until age 16 at least and have the intercert...or something like that.

Nah, dont expel, call the Gardai.
 

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