Architect on Pat Kenney's Newstalk show criticised complexity, inconsistencies and delays of planning permissions for housing

[Patslatt1]

Architect on Pat Kenney's Newstalk show criticised complexity, inconsistencies and delays of planning permissions for housing

See https://www.riai.ie/news/article/riai_outlines_key_recommendations_to_increase_delivery_of_new_houses The architect interviewed by Kenney on Thursday was the author of this report.

The recommendations of the report would if implemented contribute to an easing of the housing crisis by reducing planning delays which can take years in many cases.

The report should raise questions as to why this inconsistent and unnecessarily complicated planning bureaucracy was allowed to develop in the first place. Most likely, politicians are in no hurry to sort out planning delays because they feel the need to pander to NIMBY (not in my backyard) voters who influence elections. In the West Dublin constituency, Taoiseach Varadkar and former minister Joan Burton submitted objections not long ago to a housing project-presumably knee jerk responses typical of TDs. If planning officials treat such objections with a grain of salt, it wouldn't matter, however.

But can the government be trusted to carry out the necessary reforms to planning?

 

[Spanner Island]

There should be a raft of measures brought in to end the tedious and dysfunctional obsession Ireland has with property.

For starters:

1. Use it or lose it with regard to development.

2. CPO for any land owner who has applied for planning and been granted planning permission twice on the same piece of land but has failed to develop on it. And the price should be the unzoned/agricultural price too.

3. Far more protection for long-term renters with rent controls implemented where necessary.

4. An end to objections to planning by people who are over a certain distance from a proposed development and who will be unaffected by such a development. Scenarios like objections to a data farm in Athenry by some tool in Wicklow should be stopped and stopped fast.

5. Simplification of processes that reduce the requirement for/interference by legal eagles in every aspect of property to reduce timescales and costs for everyone involved.

 

[Jack O Neill]

See https://www.riai.ie/news/article/riai_outlines_key_recommendations_to_increase_delivery_of_new_houses The architect interviewed by Kenney on Thursday was the author of this report.

The recommendations of the report would if implemented contribute to an easing of the housing crisis by reducing planning delays which can take years in many cases.

The report should raise questions as to why this inconsistent and unnecessarily complicated planning bureaucracy was allowed to develop in the first place. Most likely, politicians are in no hurry to sort out planning delays because they feel the need to pander to NIMBY (not in my backyard) voters who influence elections. In the West Dublin constituency, Taoiseach Varadkar and former minister Joan Burton submitted objections not long ago to a housing project-presumably knee jerk responses typical of TDs. If planning officials treat such objections with a grain of salt, it wouldn't matter, however.

But can the government be trusted to carry out the necessary reforms to planning?

Leitrim has had 4 . yes four planning applications this last 6 months yet there are more people employed in planning in Leitrim co council in 2017 than was in 2007 , go figure

 

[Gin Soaked]

Leitrim has had 4 . yes four planning applications this last 6 months yet there are more people employed in planning in Leitrim co council in 2017 than was in 2007 , go figure

A brutally succinct example of a department of busy-work.

There also needs to be a lower bar for the dismissal of vexatious objections by cranks or people who just don't like the applicants.

Suburbanites and urban dwellers need to just suck up the fact that "that lot next door are tossers" and revert to live and let live. Pandering to rural cranks should not be tolerated.

I've had sight of some clearly vindictive and insulting objections in applications. There is often a clear absence of decency bordering on "The Field" levels of intimidation and general ar$€holery......

 

[Fr Peter McWhinger]

Rights to Public consultation and public participation arise form Natural Justice and Constitutional Rights. They also arise under the EU EIA Directive which requires public consultation and participation in EIA scale Projects.

Judicial Review is a pillar of our Legal System.

Our Courts set a high bar in terms of granting leave to take a Judicial Review.

 

[Fr Peter McWhinger]

The State ultimately controls the supply of Development land not so much by how much is zoned but how much is services with Roads and Sewers, Sewage Treatment Plants and such.

Councillors control supply of building land by such devices as limiting height and density, and the level of Development Contributions.

The UK Courts have allowed developments to go ahead on in-zoned lands where there is a shortage of supply of housing of commercial buildings.

 

[HenryHorace]

Newstalk = Fake news

 

[Spanner Island]

Newstalk = Fake news

WTF are you on about?

The thread is about the link... not Newstalk... FFS :roll:

 

[Dame_Enda]

Ban nosey parkers from the other end of the country from objecting to developments.

 

[SeanieFitz]

Leitrim has had 4 . yes four planning applications this last 6 months yet there are more people employed in planning in Leitrim co council in 2017 than was in 2007 , go figure

Not sure where you getting your info from but according to their office they have received 180 planning applications so far in 2017

 

[Socratus O' Pericles]

Online planning applications ought to be possible. 1 month for the LA to make a decision.

 

[Socratus O' Pericles]

Not sure where you getting your info from but according to their office they have received 180 planning applications so far in 2017

Bloody facts.

 

[Accidental sock]

I gueess wee juste put extra Es eveerywhere nowe.

 

[Burnout]

Sidebar -

AN Architect, who designed and built his own house nine years ago for 25,000€, has said the building has been "very good and enjoyable" to live in with his two teenage children and his wife.

Architect built three-bedroom house for family... for

 

[Jack O Neill]

Not sure where you getting your info from but according to their office they have received 180 planning applications so far in 2017

been to leitrim lately have you , seen any building going on ?
Planning permission granted for just 4 new houses in Leitrim - Leitrim Observer

 

['orebel]

been to leitrim lately have you , seen any building going on ?
Planning permission granted for just 4 new houses in Leitrim - Leitrim Observer

34 permissions granted in second quarter of 2017. No mention of applications since January.

 

[Jack O Neill]

34 permissions granted in second quarter of 2017. No mention of applications since January.

mostly extensions and garages , no new builds

 

[SeanieFitz]

been to leitrim lately have you , seen any building going on ?
Planning permission granted for just 4 new houses in Leitrim - Leitrim Observer

I have never been to Leitrim

You posted that there were "4 planning applications in first 6 months". I simply clarified that there were 180 applicatons to date in 2017. What that has to do with me visiting Leitrim is unclear.
Apologies for posting facts, carry on with the misinformation

 

[greagh]

The govt overcorrected in its zeal to damp the enthusiasm for property investment in Ireland in a range of ways one of which was overregulation of planning and construction .The net result of this among other measures is our current not unexpected crisis .

 

[Patslatt1]

There should be a raft of measures brought in to end the tedious and dysfunctional obsession Ireland has with property.

For starters:

1. Use it or lose it with regard to development.

2. CPO for any land owner who has applied for planning and been granted planning permission twice on the same piece of land but has failed to develop on it. And the price should be the unzoned/agricultural price too.

3. Far more protection for long-term renters with rent controls implemented where necessary.

4. An end to objections to planning by people who are over a certain distance from a proposed development and who will be unaffected by such a development. Scenarios like objections to a data farm in Athenry by some tool in Wicklow should be stopped and stopped fast.

5. Simplification of processes that reduce the requirement for/interference by legal eagles in every aspect of property to reduce timescales and costs for everyone involved.

Strict rent controls have proved disastrous wherever tried, the stricter the controls, the worse the maintenance. New York City's controls imposed in WW2 and still in place turned vast areas of Brooklyn and the Bronx into ugly slums with burned out streets in many places.