Are calls to partition Dublin GAA petty begrudgery?

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The argument goes that it's not fair on good players to break into the squad and it's unfair on other counties who can't compete with Dublin's population, money and training.

Both arguments are nonsense. So what's the real reason for this daft proposal?

1) dublin has fewer clubs than cork.
2) gaa competes with rugby, soccer, cricket, golf, athletics.
3) if dublin is split into the four local authorities areas, would that apply to hurling (one Leinster in 50 years), women's football and camogie?
4) there is no distinct identity in the four local authorities areas at all (unlike cork city and county).
5) why punish a winning team and set up when they should be emulated?
6) if the concern is young Dubs missing out; why not allow a second dublin team enter the competition? (Other than the fear they would meet in the finals)
7) these things are cyclical.
8) brolly and o'rourke have fewer medals than Dublin's subs, but Spillane is against it - is that a coincidence?
 


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Not giving Dublin a capital D in the title is petty begrudgery.
 

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It's nonsense and the GAA know it. Who'd go to or watch a Dublin North versus Dublin South All Ireland Final? Because that is what it has the possibility to lead to.

Add one less place in their Stupor 8 series which is in itself is a joke. A team can now lose as much as 3 times in the year and still wind up All Ireland Champions.
 

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Even with two Dublin teams the All-Ireland football final would still be North Dublin v South Dublin:lol:

Petty begrudging culchies.
 

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Rather then break up strong teams I think it would better benefit strong players in weaker counties if weaker counties played into a second tier championship and the stronger players for weaker counties be allowed play in combined sides in the upper tier championship i.e. the best players from say Sligo, Roscommon, and Leitrim could play in a 'Connacht' team.
 

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The real advantages Dublin have are money and access to croke park. Dublin have a massive sponsorship deal with AIG (€4m), and prior to that, they had Vodafone (€3m). They've played one championship game away from croke park in recent times, despite croke park being the national stadium and Parnell park being the county ground. Two massive advantages they have over other counties.

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The huge success of the GAA in Dublin over the last two decades in getting kids to play the games is hard to find excuses for begrudgery about.
 

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Rather than raise their standards some in the GAA argue to hamstring the best
 

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Stupid idea there were never calls for Kerry to be split up when they were constantly winning All Irelands or Kilkenny when they were dominating the hurling and anyway dividing them will only double their chances of winning where you could well have both sides meeting in the final, so i dont see how it could realistic solution, its up to others to invest more to improve their games why should Dublin be punished for others shortcomings.
 

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The real advantages Dublin have are money and access to croke park. Dublin have a massive sponsorship deal with AIG (€4m), and prior to that, they had Vodafone (€3m). They've played one championship game away from croke park in recent times, despite croke park being the national stadium and Parnell park being the county ground. Two massive advantages they have over other counties.

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Those advantages haven't really helped our hurlers all that much, alas. And every time that the knackerballers win, Dublin hurling takes a small step backwards in the eyes of the next generation.
 

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The huge success of the GAA in Dublin over the last two decades in getting kids to play the games is hard to find excuses for begrudgery about.
Agreed Dublin was even in the 1970's still considered very much a soccer County in many Working Class areas. In more affluent areas of South Dublin Gaelic Games was at a disadvantage against Rugby.

Despite that Kilmacud Crokes have won two All Ireland Football Club Titles (1995 & 2009) with Cuala from Dalkey winning the All Ireland Hurling Club winners this year.
 

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The argument goes that it's not fair on good players to break into the squad and it's unfair on other counties who can't compete with Dublin's population, money and training.

Both arguments are nonsense. So what's the real reason for this daft proposal?

1) dublin has fewer clubs than cork.
2) gaa competes with rugby, soccer, cricket, golf, athletics.
3) if dublin is split into the four local authorities areas, would that apply to hurling (one Leinster in 50 years), women's football and camogie?
4) there is no distinct identity in the four local authorities areas at all (unlike cork city and county).
5) why punish a winning team and set up when they should be emulated?
6) if the concern is young Dubs missing out; why not allow a second dublin team enter the competition? (Other than the fear they would meet in the finals)
7) these things are cyclical.
8) brolly and o'rourke have fewer medals than Dublin's subs, but Spillane is against it - is that a coincidence?
Dublin are not dominant enough yet for any such radical action to be taken. They could disappear for decades and have done often. However the notion of such adjustments should not be discounted. For someone from Laois-serial failures-I find the All-Ireland series every year something of a matter of indifference. My solution would be a merger with Offaly. I think that the GAA is slowly losing ground in counties which have been permanently sidelined and there needs to be surgery of some sort to restore the viability of some teams. It's not that I think that putting two mediocre teams together will do anything other than produce another slightly better mediocre team which will also fail, it's just that every so often a really good team might emerge and this is what supporters eke out their living on. But they can't live on with nothing. I am thinking that Carlow and Kilkenny would be another obvious one ,Roscommon and Leitrim or Sligo Leitrim. The supporters would howl like banshees but sure many of them know nothing about the games and are far too happy in their Millwall type of martyrdom fetish.
 

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Rather then break up strong teams I think it would better benefit strong players in weaker counties if weaker counties played into a second tier championship and the stronger players for weaker counties be allowed play in combined sides in the upper tier championship i.e. the best players from say Sligo, Roscommon, and Leitrim could play in a 'Connacht' team.
Excellent idea Windows
 

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Excellent idea Windows
It's what they do in Kerry and Cork club championships. The stronger clubs compete as themselves and the lower division clubs field 'divisional teams' such as South Kerry.
 

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It's time the people of County Fingal were allowed to field a team to compete for the All Ireland.
Fingal had an inter-county hurling team a while back as had South Down.

North Dublin v South Dublin in football would be great. The Antos v the Fionns. All Garda leave would be cancelled. A huge rivalry would grow, bigger than Bohs and Rovers.
 

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Dublin has forty times the population of Leitrim.

Resources are even more overwhelming in Dublin's favour.
 


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