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Are Councils bankrupting themselves maintaining too many Rural Roads?


IbrahaimMohamad

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Are Councils bankrupting themselves maintaining too many Rural Roads?

The past two decades has seen farmers moving to use much heavier machinery that is destroying lightly constructed roads that were never meant to carry such loads.

The problem is that the roads do not have adequate foundations or sub-bases made from a layer of large crushed stone which spreads the loads over a sufficient bearing area that the soil can support without deformation.

Inevitably the roads crumble into a series of connected potholes with an outcry fro the Council to repair the roads at a cost of hundreds of thousands of euro even though a dozen households might be served by the roads.

The Local Property charge will be bearing an increasing level of the cost! Is it fair that people be conscripted to pay for the abuse of roads by some road users, carrying oversized farm machinery?

Councils will need to abandon the maintenance several rural roads which were not constructed to carry heavy axle loads, as serial repair is money down the drain!
 


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Surely you have some idea of the costs related to this to back up your statement ?

What costs are bourne by the councils, what costs are directly related to heavy machinery, and what costs do the users of these roads pay towards the cost of maintenance (we all pay road tax you know, so the issue may be where this money is directed to rather, than anything else).

Anyway, look forward to some figures to provide some level of credence to your claims,otherwise its just a rant!
 

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The Councils should use the vast sums of money stashed away on deposits to repair our services. Dun-Laoghaire Rathdown has €126million hidden away. The road safety authority has €100million, while Cork City Council has €105 million. The Irish Times, page 8, carries the story
 
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IbrahaimMohamad

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Surely you have some idea of the costs related to this to back up your statement ?

What costs are bourne by the councils, what costs are directly related to heavy machinery, and what costs do the users of these roads pay towards the cost of maintenance (we all pay road tax you know, so the issue may be where this money is directed to rather, than anything else).

Anyway, look forward to some figures to provide some level of credence to your claims,otherwise its just a rant!
In some cases Councils will spend €100,000 per kilometer on roads 3KM long serving just 10 homes.

This is not economic!
 

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In some cases Councils will spend €100,000 per kilometer on roads 3KM long serving just 10 homes.

This is not economic!

Normally they go out with a tipper trick full of surfacing material and fill the holes with a shovel, by hand.....100k.....lol.
 

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There is a lot of passing traffic on rural roads not just those who live on them. eg my road , 9 miles from the nearest town, is used as a shortcut by trucks going to the ferry terminal in Rosslare. Traffic is almost non-stop 24/7.
 

PleaseDaddyNo

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The farmers should have to pay specially to use the roads, it's them with the tractors and the big landrovers that has the roads in bits
 

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I'd say they waste a lot of money every year with "surface dressing" which lasts about two years at most. There again, I have seen some last a lot longer than that, depending on the contractor used. Which comes back to the first point, how are these contractors selected?

All this kind of stuff should have been done during the boom anyway, roads like the N52 are in atrocious condition for long stretches as well as being in need of widening. Trucks have to slow to a crawl when meeting on this road in many places.

With roadusers being the most heavily taxed people in the country, it is disgraceful that some portion if not all their input is not ring fenced for the purposes for which it is allegedly intended.
 

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The farmers should have to pay specially to use the roads, it's them with the tractors and the big landrovers that has the roads in bits
Not neccessarily the farmers. A guy with a big tractor drawing stone, gravel etc is doing much more damage than the average farmer. I actually saw and heard one the other day cutting up a street in a town. These vehicles should be made use road tyres instead of the monstrous threads normally on tractor wheels.
 

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In some cases Councils will spend €100,000 per kilometer on roads 3KM long serving just 10 homes.

This is not economic!
councillors playing parish pump politics looking for votes at any costs.
 

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Not neccessarily the farmers. A guy with a big tractor drawing stone, gravel etc is doing much more damage than the average farmer. I actually saw and heard one the other day cutting up a street in a town. These vehicles should be made use road tyres instead of the monstrous threads normally on tractor wheels.
Wide tractor tyres spread the load and lessen the damage!
 

EoinMag

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It becomes even more hilarious when you have the roads near a quarry being destroyed by the trucks drawing stone and stuff from the quarry, tearing it up daily, I can name the place.
The hilarity is apparent when they go to repair the roads and the -person supplying the stone etc to repair the roads......why it's the same quarry that wrecked the roads in the first place.....
 

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Leave those farmers up their lanes with no access to the rest of the world; I mean, it's not like they are citizens or anything.
 

kalipa

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I'd say they waste a lot of money every year with "surface dressing" which lasts about two years at most. There again, I have seen some last a lot longer than that, depending on the contractor used. Which comes back to the first point, how are these contractors selected?

All this kind of stuff should have been done during the boom anyway, roads like the N52 are in atrocious condition for long stretches as well as being in need of widening. Trucks have to slow to a crawl when meeting on this road in many places.

With roadusers being the most heavily taxed people in the country, it is disgraceful that some portion if not all their input is not ring fenced for the purposes for which it is allegedly intended.
When councils had money they , in a lot of areas, spent it on junkets and unnecessary trips abroad, "fact finding", with the missus in tow.
 

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Bloody tractors shouldn't be allowed on the roads anyway! If thy must then let it be restricted access at set time scales. Nothing worse than trying to get home after a hard day to get stuck behind a tit driving a tractor who isn't bothering to look behind and pull in to allow traffic to pass as they are legally obliged to.
 

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Many of the roads are only capable of carrying vehicles under 3 tonnes weight as opposed to loaded vehicles weighing 34 tonnes!
Then the council should put weigh restrictions on those roads and police them!
 

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I'd say they waste a lot of money every year with "surface dressing" which lasts about two years at most. There again, I have seen some last a lot longer than that, depending on the contractor used. Which comes back to the first point, how are these contractors selected?

All this kind of stuff should have been done during the boom anyway, roads like the N52 are in atrocious condition for long stretches as well as being in need of widening. Trucks have to slow to a crawl when meeting on this road in many places.

With roadusers being the most heavily taxed people in the country, it is disgraceful that some portion if not all their input is not ring fenced for the purposes for which it is allegedly intended.
God love us!, where I live, you would be lucky if you got two months, and sometimes two weeks!!
 

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