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Are FF claiming that RSF is connected to SF?


williewatch

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Niall Collins has just been on Limerick 95FM this morning.

It was the usual story. RSF / Continuity IRA have a publicity stunt and Collins issues a pavlovian response. Nothing we haven't heard before in the Collins interview and nothing we haven't heard before in the RSF bluster.

This morning Collins was responding to the usual bluster from RSF about occupation forces etc at their Sean Sabhat commemoration, complete with the usual Limerick fantasists dressed up in paramilitary uniform.

But in the course of the interview, in my opinion, Collins looks for SF to condemn the statements by RSF. When Joe Nash the show's presenter points out that SF will say that they have nothing to do with RSF, Collins then starts to uses the term "the other side of SF".

I was left scratching my head and wondering if I had heard Collins correctly and if he actually thought that RSF and SF were somehow connected? Perhaps he could clarify his comments and say if he believes that RSF and SF are somehow connected? Because, if proven, such a link would be major news and probably collapse the whole Northern Ireland peace process.

Its been clear for quite some time that Niall Collins is not up to speed in his brief as the FF spokesman on on Justice but he needs to clarify this matter immediately or should we take this as official FF policy?

 
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realistic1

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Niall Collins has just been on Limerick 95FM this morning.

It was the usual story. RSF / Continuity IRA have a publicity stunt and Collins issues a pavlovian response. Nothing we haven't heard before in the Collins interview and nothing we haven't heard before in the RSF bluster.

This morning Collins was responding to the usual bluster from RSF about occupation forces etc at their Sean Sabhat commemoration, complete with the usual Limerick fantasists dressed up in paramilitary uniform.

But in the course of the interview, in my opinion, Collins looks for SF to condemn the statements by RSF. When Joe Nash the show's presenter points out that SF will say that they have nothing to do with RSF, Collins then starts to uses the term "the other side of SF".

I was left scratching my head and wondering if I had heard Collins correctly and if he actually thought that RSF and SF were somehow connected? Perhaps he could clarify his comments and say if he believes that RSF and SF are somehow connected? Because, if proven, such a link would be major news and probably collapse the whole Northern Ireland peace process.

Its been clear for quite some time that Niall Collins is not up to speed in his brief as the FF spokesman on on Justice but he needs to clarify this matter immediately or should we take this as official FF policy.

Just read an article on the Limerick leader website titled 'Dissident Republican plot foiled by Limerick garda operation' at the end of the article they mention that Sinn Fein will be holding a Sean Sabhat commemoration. Surely this is an attempt by the Limerick leader to link Sinn Fein to the Dissidents? There is a lot of fear by Limerick FF/FG/Labour members/councillors/TDs that Sinn Fein are becoming acceptable in Limerick, and their friends in the local media will do their utmost to make sure this does not happen..

Dissident Republican plot foiled by Limerick garda operation - Local - Limerick Leader
 

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Niall Collins has just been on Limerick 95FM this morning.

It was the usual story. RSF / Continuity IRA have a publicity stunt and Collins issues a pavlovian response. Nothing we haven't heard before in the Collins interview and nothing we haven't heard before in the RSF bluster.

This morning Collins was responding to the usual bluster from RSF about occupation forces etc at their Sean Sabhat commemoration, complete with the usual Limerick fantasists dressed up in paramilitary uniform.

But in the course of the interview, in my opinion, Collins looks for SF to condemn the statements by RSF. When Joe Nash the show's presenter points out that SF will say that they have nothing to do with RSF, Collins then starts to uses the term "the other side of SF".

I was left scratching my head and wondering if I had heard Collins correctly and if he actually thought that RSF and SF were somehow connected? Perhaps he could clarify his comments and say if he believes that RSF and SF are somehow connected? Because, if proven, such a link would be major news and probably collapse the whole Northern Ireland peace process.

Its been clear for quite some time that Niall Collins is not up to speed in his brief as the FF spokesman on on Justice but he needs to clarify this matter immediately or should we take this as official FF policy?

I wonder is it time for a 'Collinswatch' poster to appear? Niall Collind seems to be as much of a media whore as WOD.
 

flavirostris

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Its either :

1) He's genuinely ignorant of the differences beween SF and dissident republicans - possible. He comes across as a major lightweight

2) He's well aware of the difference but he's deliberately attempting to link SF and the dissidents as one and the same.

ignorance or duplicitous malice.
 

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OSF, PSF, RSF, DL/Frank Ross Faction....

Brendan Behan was correct when he said that the primary item on the agenda whenever an Irish political movement is formed is "the split".....
 

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Just read an article on the Limerick leader website titled 'Dissident Republican plot foiled by Limerick garda operation' at the end of the article they mention that Sinn Fein will be holding a Sean Sabhat commemoration. Surely this is an attempt by the Limerick leader to link Sinn Fein to the Dissidents? There is a lot of fear by Limerick FF/FG/Labour members/councillors/TDs that Sinn Fein are becoming acceptable in Limerick, and their friends in the local media will do their utmost to make sure this does not happen..

Dissident Republican plot foiled by Limerick garda operation - Local - Limerick Leader
There is always a fear of SF amongst decent people. Politics has nothing to do with it.
 

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Niall Collins has just been on Limerick 95FM this morning.

It was the usual story. RSF / Continuity IRA have a publicity stunt and Collins issues a pavlovian response. Nothing we haven't heard before in the Collins interview and nothing we haven't heard before in the RSF bluster.

This morning Collins was responding to the usual bluster from RSF about occupation forces etc at their Sean Sabhat commemoration, complete with the usual Limerick fantasists dressed up in paramilitary uniform.

But in the course of the interview, in my opinion, Collins looks for SF to condemn the statements by RSF. When Joe Nash the show's presenter points out that SF will say that they have nothing to do with RSF, Collins then starts to uses the term "the other side of SF".

I was left scratching my head and wondering if I had heard Collins correctly and if he actually thought that RSF and SF were somehow connected? Perhaps he could clarify his comments and say if he believes that RSF and SF are somehow connected? Because, if proven, such a link would be major news and probably collapse the whole Northern Ireland peace process.

Its been clear for quite some time that Niall Collins is not up to speed in his brief as the FF spokesman on on Justice but he needs to clarify this matter immediately or should we take this as official FF policy?


Who actually really cares or gives a damn at the end of the day?

Seriously.
 

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I wonder is it time for a 'Collinswatch' poster to appear? Niall Collind seems to be as much of a media whore as WOD.
Except he is turning out to be an even bigger eejit.
 

williewatch

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Who actually really cares or gives a damn at the end of the day?

Seriously.
Quite a serious issue really in terms of Northern Ireland really.

If SF are shown to be connected to groups targeting British Soldiers then it could seriously undermine the peace process.

The situation looks delicate enough there at the moment.

Fianna Fail need to clear the air on this one.
 

cillian32

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Folks on sat at 12 noon there will be trouble .......RSF will start it .....Niall is trying to get the blame in on SF by saying "the other side of SF" ect ......Some idiots will fall for it....others wont.FF are desperate for attention.....best ignored.
 

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If he is ignorant of the differences between SF and the dissidents, then he has no credibility as a Dáil spokesman on anything. If he is aware but is deliberately linking them then it's serious dirty tricks.

A reminder of just how dirty FF can get.
 

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RSF split from PSF in 1986.

[video=youtube;QjXVJoUMVVc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjXVJoUMVVc[/video]

There were a number of IRA's.

Here in more detail is a representation[1] of a genealogical tree of Irish nationalist movements derived from the original IRA:

Original IRA (the "old" IRA) - fought in the War of Independence 1919-1921
That part of the Old IRA that accepted the compromise of the 1921 treaty which established the Irish Free State and that became the initial Free State government. Its supporters became the modern-day Fine Gael Party, currently the largest party in Ireland. With additional recruits, it became the National Army, later known as the Irish Defence Forces
That part of the original IRA organised within Northern Ireland not included within the Free State (see below).
That part of the IRA, organised within the twenty six counties that became the Free State, which rejected the compromise of the 1921 treaty with Britain and under Liam Lynch fought the Irish Civil War against the Free State 'National Army' (led by Michael Collins), with the support of the anti-treaty faction of Sinn Féin, led by Éamon de Valera.
Fianna Fáil - some years after losing the Civil War a faction led by de Valera resigned from Sinn Féin and established the Fianna Fáil party, which is currently the third-largest party in Ireland. (In December 2007, Fianna Fáil was officially registered as a political party in Northern Ireland).
In the 1930s the remainder of the IRA, including that part of the Old IRA organised within Northern Ireland, attempted a bombing campaign in Britain, a campaign in Northern Ireland (after a shift in leadership to the north) and some military activities in the Free State (later the Republic of Ireland). The World War II period also saw attempts to gain financial and military support from Nazi Germany and German Intelligence. After a period of poor relations, the symbiotic relationship between Sinn Féin and the IRA was re-established in the late 1930s.[citation needed]
By the 1960s, after the failed border campaign, Sinn Féin moved towards a Marxist class struggle outlook. With the outbreak of the Troubles Sinn Féin, or as it came to be called after the formation of the Provisional IRA and Provisional Sinn Féin, Official IRA / Official Sinn Féin found itself sidelined because of its decision not to engage in aggressive warfare against the British state. Over time the Official IRA faded away, while Official Sinn Féin moved to a purely Marxist position, renaming itself first Sinn Féin the Workers Party, and then in 1982 the The Workers' Party.
After the Official IRA's 1972 ceasefire it and Official Sinn Féin suffered a split in 1974 leading to the formation of the extreme left wing Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) and the Irish Republican Socialist Party, led by Seamus Costello (later assassinated by the Official IRA during a bloody feud). The INLA was known for a series of internal feuds and some of the more sectarian killings from the nationalist side.
In 1987, the Irish People's Liberation Organisation split from the INLA.
In 1992 the Workers' Party suffered a split when a majority faction failed to secure changes. They left and formed the Democratic Left the most leftist of the parties in the Republic with seats in the Dáil Éireann (though also operating in Northern Ireland). Ultimately the Democratic Left merged into the Labour Party.
In 1969, the more traditionalist republican members split off into the Provisional IRA and Provisional Sinn Féin. The Provisional IRA operated mostly in Northern Ireland, using violence against the Royal Ulster Constabulary and the British army, and British institutions and economic targets. They also killed members of the Irish army and the Garda Síochána (the Irish police force), which was against one of their standing orders.
A further split occurred in 1986, when the former leader of Sinn Féin Ruairí Ó Brádaigh - who was replaced by Gerry Adams in 1983 - walked out of the Sinn Féin Ard fheis after delegates voted to end the policy of abstentionism to Leinster House. The followers of Ruairí Ó Brádaigh, who adhere to republican legitimatism, and opposing Sinn Féin's decision to abandon abstentionism and enter Dáil Éireann, set up a rival party and military wing, called Republican Sinn Féin and the Continuity IRA.
In 2006, the Irish Republican Liberation Army split from the Continuity IRA.
In 2006, Óglaigh na hÉireann split from the Continuity IRA.
In 1997 Members of the Provisional IRA who did not accept the peace process split off to form the Real IRA. Its political wing is the 32 County Sovereignty Movement.
In 2009, Óglaigh na hÉireann split from the Real IRA.
In 2011 former members of the Provisional IRA announced a resumption of hostilities, under the name "Irish Republican Army".
 
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