Are human beings resources?

Cael

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I must say it really gets on my nerves when I hear nerdy little gits talking about people as "human resources." The whole human resources ideology is based on regarding workers as "things" for profit. Its based on a business ontology, where everything in the would is to be regarded as instruments of profit. Profit is taken to be the only true value, and all other values must take second place to the drive for profit. Democracy is seen as only being valid where it tends to assist in the making of profit. If it impares profiteering in any way, then it is considered to be illigitmate.

What really interesting is that those trained in "human resources management" know that this instrumentalist world view does not sit very well with sane human beings - so their main task is to fool workers into thinking that they are "stakeholders" in the company they work for. In reality, they are not. They are merely "resources" just like a lump of iron would be. To be used when profitable, and disregarded when not.
 


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As usual, form a business and show us how it should be done.
You are asking me to become a capitalist, to show you how not to be a capitalist?
 

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He wont do that. All these lefties want a freebie without ever doing any work.
Its your maFFia chums who want the free money from workers - tens of billions of free money.
 

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The human resources model somewhat contradicts the bourgeois ideological model of the worker selling his labour to the capitalist as an equal business agent, for an agreed price. Human resources management recognises that the capitalist buyer of labour does indeed have more power in this transaction, and has much more power to set the price of labour than the worker does.
 

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I believe the late King of Denmark was once asked: "What is your country's most important natural resource?". He replied: "People, of course.";)

Monarchist or republican, who could argue with that?

Unfortunately, those in positions of political, economic and media power in Ireland up to now have failed to recognise the value of that resource, just as they have connived in selling off our mineral and hydrocarbon resources for a fraction of their real value and contented themselves with enriching only themselves and their golden circle of cronies.:mad::mad::mad:
 

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I believe the late King of Denmark was once asked: "What is your country's most important natural resource?". He replied: "People, of course.";)

Monarchist or republican, who could argue with that?

Unfortunately, those in positions of political, economic and media power in Ireland up to now have failed to recognise the value of that resource, just as they have connived in selling off our mineral and hydrocarbon resources for a fraction of their real value and contented themselves with enriching only themselves and their golden circle of cronies.:mad::mad::mad:
But, when you use the word "resourse" you immediate imply a resourse for someone. For whom as we humans a resourse? And why should we be a resourse for them?
 

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In truth people are the only resource that a country has. You need people to see and realise the potential of other resources.

However to view people as just resources or units of production and consumption is demeaning.

Input small house and a few meals a day = 1 car every 3 days.

It assumes that most should not have a view in how those resources should be used.

On the 3rd way thread I made a distasteful post to point out where the concept of exploiting the 'resource' can ultimately lead.
 

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The problem with socialists is that everytime a socialist fails miserably they claim it wasnt socialist.
I notice this with capitalism too. Ireland wasnt REALLY capitalist - it was "chrony capitalist." Was the USA ever capitalist? Because it is an economic failure of colossal proportions.
 

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In truth people are the only resource that a country has. You need people to see and realise the potential of other resources.

However to view people as just resources or units of production and consumption is demeaning.

Input small house and a few meals a day = 1 car every 3 days.

It assumes that most should not have a view in how those resources should be used.

On the 3rd way thread I made a distasteful post to point out where the concept of exploiting the 'resource' can ultimately lead.
A "resource" is an instrument for doing something, is it not?
 

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In creative industries like media and software humans are the most valuable resources. Otherwise you just have empty dark rooms with useless expensive machines and equipment...
 

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Cael
HR is the fancy name for Personnel.
In my experience employees are more loyal to the company than the company is to the employees. When a company says "Our people are our greatest asset" they are of course lying. If they were not they wouldn't lay them off as quickly as they do. They would provide decent pensions, maternity leave, proper training and so on.
It is the reason I work for myself now.
But the socialist model seems to treat workers even worse as having little worth except to the collective. It would be nice to find a model in between.
 

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I think Human Resources refers more to the skills, energies, talents, abilities and knowledge that are used for the production of goods or the rendering of services, rather than to the actual people who have the skill, energies, talents, etc. (per Wikipedia).
 

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I must say it really gets on my nerves when I hear nerdy little gits talking about people as "human resources." The whole human resources ideology is based on regarding workers as "things" for profit. Its based on a business ontology, where everything in the would is to be regarded as instruments of profit. Profit is taken to be the only true value, and all other values must take second place to the drive for profit. Democracy is seen as only being valid where it tends to assist in the making of profit. If it impares profiteering in any way, then it is considered to be illigitmate.

What really interesting is that those trained in "human resources management" know that this instrumentalist world view does not sit very well with sane human beings - so their main task is to fool workers into thinking that they are "stakeholders" in the company they work for. In reality, they are not. They are merely "resources" just like a lump of iron would be. To be used when profitable, and disregarded when not.
For once I agree with you. The human resource movement has a very dark history. It was created against a backdrop of wide spread American industrial unrest and the rise of communism as a new way to organize businesses. Essentially, it attempts to fool workers into thinking of the workplace as a community, that their work is important, creative and meaningful. It's a pile of bullcrap.
 

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In creative industries like media and software humans are the most valuable resources. Otherwise you just have empty dark rooms with useless expensive machines and equipment...
"Resources" for whom?
 

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You really are determined to keep this one alive. Is resource a word you learned for the first time today?
 

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Agree with you Cael, it's very demeaning. I also detest "Ireland Inc", and wish people would stop using it.
 

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Cael
HR is the fancy name for Personnel.
Its much more than that. Language is what determines our social structures. When you designate most of the human race as "resources" you dehumanise them, and turn them into mere instruments for the generation of profits.
 


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