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Are teacher TDs still drawing teacher salaries?


anewbeginning

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I saw this on the news, the GP guy at the conference talked about it.

Is this true? I know some teacher TDs have given up their teacher salary, but have they all done it?

If not its another example of politician hypocrisy, drawing two salaries for doing one job and telling us all to pay more taxes and levies.

Any TD that draws a teachers salary should not be voted for at the next GE.
 


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Joe Behan TD (Ex Fianna Fail) now Ind. became a principle of a school in Bray Co. Wicklow just a few months before he was elected as a TD. He is still getting payment now as a teacher as well as a TD. I suppose that payment is based on the principle salary which is totally wrong.
 

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Joe Behan TD (Ex Fianna Fail) now Ind. became a principle of a school in Bray Co. Wicklow just a few months before he was elected as a TD. He is still getting payment now as a teacher as well as a TD. I suppose that payment is based on the principle salary which is totally wrong.
Makes sense. Its Ireland.
 

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So they're on paid leave of absence? I had always assumed they were on unpaid leave, which meant they had a job to go back to. i hadn't realised they were actually drawing a salary for a job they weren't doing ... how do the schools fund their replacements?
 

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OK - looked this up and it seems from the INTO website here
Irish National Teachers' Organisation (INTO) - into.ie - Other Leave

that teachers either in the Oireachtas or standing for election get paid leave of absence, but they have to repay enough to fund their replacement

You need to scroll down a little on the page linked above, but the relevant bit is

Leave of Absence for Teachers Standing in General Elections
Teachers standing for election in a General Election may be allowed leave of absence, with pay, subject to the following conditions:
  • The granting of permission by the school board of management.
  • The employment of a substitute at the teacher's expense.
  • The absence may date only from the date of the candidate's lodgement of her/his nomination papers. This will be a date between the issue of the writ and the last day for receipt of nominations, nine days later.
  • Leave with pay is allowable up to and including polling day, but not for the day(s) of the count. Substitute cover not paid by DES.
Leave of Absence because of membership of An tOireachtas
The following conditions apply to the granting of absence from school duties to a teacher who is elected as a T.D or Senator:
  • the teacher will be paid full salary and allowances as a national teacher;
  • a fully qualified replacement teacher will be appointed on a temporary basis and paid by the Department, such service will be incremental and pensionable;
  • the teacher T.D. or Senator to repay the Department:
    • the total of salary and allowances payable to the replacement teacher together with 10% or 11.5% thereof as appropriate superannuation contribution;
    • in the case of a principal teacher or other teacher in receipt of special allowance, to repay also the amount of this allowance which would be paid to the deputy principal teacher or the person appointed to the vacated grade post; and
    • the Employer’s PRSI contribution, currently 2.35% of gross salary
 

Gabha Óir

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Or to put it another way they get paid the difference between the money their replacement is paid and the money they would be earning if they were teaching.

So if they should be on 55000 and their replacement is earning 33000 they cream 22000 off the top...
 

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yeah, sounds like that.

Especially if they have worked up to a fairly senior grade, and have themselves replaced by very junior people. I also expect that this way of doing it allows them to work up pensionable service, without actually working, which is scandalous

It would definitely be simpler to have them on unpaid leave of absence.
 

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yeah, sounds like that.

Especially if they have worked up to a fairly senior grade, and have themselves replaced by very junior people. I also expect that this way of doing it allows them to work up pensionable service, without actually working, which is scandalous

It would definitely be simpler to have them on unpaid leave of absence.
They will get a full teacher's pension even if they spend the last twenty years of their teaching career in the Dáil
 

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I wonder have they been getting benchmarking increases? In other words they are in the Dail yet getting paid increases for their alledged increased productivity as teachers!!!

Only in Ireland...

I suppose they will get a teachers pension along with the TDs pension.

I also wonder if they left teaching at 25 and been out of it 20 years, does their seniority and pay increase as teachers??

And are any of the current ministers who were teachers still drawing teacher salaries minus the difference?

Nothing surprises me about our politicians anymore.
 

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Indeed they are. Tony Gregory (R.I.P) gave his up last June but I havn't heard of any of the rest of them doing so as of yet. .
Let me see. That means he availed of it for some 28 years? All the time employing a sub at the lowest point of the teachers' scale, while Gregory was accruing the pension entitlements, and pocketing the difference between the "senior" teacher salary he was getting and that earned by the sub.

A truly deplorable practice.
 

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I wonder have they been getting benchmarking increases? In other words they are in the Dail yet getting paid increases for their alledged increased productivity as teachers!!!

Only in Ireland...

I suppose they will get a teachers pension along with the TDs pension.

I also wonder if they left teaching at 25 and been out of it 20 years, does their seniority and pay increase as teachers??
Yes, they proceed up the incremental scale, acquiring seniority just as if they were spending those years in the classroom. And yes again, of course they got all benchmarking or other increases, just as if they were still in the classroom they left 20 years ago.
 

Gabha Óir

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I wonder have they been getting benchmarking increases? In other words they are in the Dail yet getting paid increases for their alledged increased productivity as teachers!!!

Only in Ireland...

I suppose they will get a teachers pension along with the TDs pension.

I also wonder if they left teaching at 25 and been out of it 20 years, does their seniority and pay increase as teachers??

And are any of the current ministers who were teachers still drawing teacher salaries minus the difference?

Nothing surprises me about our politicians anymore.
Wonder no more, a chara. The answer is yes to all of the above and I believe Dempsey and Cheanaféín are on the pig's back as that goes. They're may be more.
 

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What does this mean when the teachers go on strike ? Should the td/teachers strike also ?

Might be interesting
 

Horace Horse

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Very often they only pay the sub for nine months work i.e September to June.
They pocket the difference, between 9-month and 12-month salaries.

On a national scale the money isn't much, but on a matter of principle this is one of the most corrupt practices in our corrupt parliament.

The abuse shows the generalized venality of our despicable political class, since it goes from right (i.e FF's Fahey) to pseudo-left (Gregory and McGrath).
 

Horace Horse

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What does this mean when the teachers go on strike ? Should the td/teachers strike also ?

Might be interesting
That's a very good question.
Of course since they haven't darkened a school's doors in a decade or more, there'll be no worry about them crossing a picket.
 

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Ah it's all coming out in the wash now. And I am glad for that. the recession has some benefits. Did anyone question this before now?

I would like to know why so many teachers are in the Dail in the first place.

Of course some other professions might be paying them all along too, don'd know, can anyone enlighten me? So much for having a good salary to get the best (Oh my God)

Someone, somewhere ,please do an FOI on this if you feel up to it without having the vapours.
 

wexfordman

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Very often they only pay the sub for nine months work i.e September to June.
They pocket the difference, between 9-month and 12-month salaries.

On a national scale the money isn't much, but on a matter of principle this is one of the most corrupt practices in our corrupt parliament.

The abuse shows the generalized venality of our despicable political class, since it goes from right (i.e FF's Fahey) to pseudo-left (Gregory and McGrath).
I may be mistaken, but was Howlin not in the same situation until recently also ? Did he not only give up his salary until recently ?

I think the other obscene thing about this practice, is that as long as the td is sitting in the dail, the replacement teacher sits in a non permanent position with reduced benefts etc. Not very fair on the replacement !!

Wexfordman
 

thunderball

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Whats the logic behind this ?
I can understand a job being kept for a sitting TD but getting the difference and clocking up benefits for both jobs thats just greedy.

Getting paid for two jobs and both of them happen to have the longest holidays as well !
 

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