Are the Department of Housing understating the homeless figures ?

carlovian

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Interesting story from the journal.ie today claiming that the Department of Housing
are getting Co.Councils to understate the homeless figures, probably in a desperate
bid to keep the figure below 10,000

Council told by Housing Department not to include people it says are homeless in monthly figures

Louth Co. Council are saying that they received a memo telling them not to
include families they have placed in emergency accommodation in the rental
sector.

So is the new solution to solve the homeless emergency to manipulate the numbers ?
 


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ZOO or we just repeat the arguments over and over again.
 

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ZOO or we just repeat the arguments over and over again.
You doing some sweeping under the carpets this morning ?
 

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Interesting story from the journal.ie today claiming that the Department of Housing
are getting Co.Councils to understate the homeless figures, probably in a desperate
bid to keep the figure below 10,000

Council told by Housing Department not to include people it says are homeless in monthly figures

Louth Co. Council are saying that they received a memo telling them not to
include families they have placed in emergency accommodation in the rental
sector.

So is the new solution to solve the homeless emergency to manipulate the numbers ?
Of course they're not homeless. They are living in a house. Or should everyone who doesn't own their own house be categorised as homeless?
 

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Interesting story from the journal.ie today claiming that the Department of Housing
are getting Co.Councils to understate the homeless figures, probably in a desperate
bid to keep the figure below 10,000

Council told by Housing Department not to include people it says are homeless in monthly figures

Louth Co. Council are saying that they received a memo telling them not to
include families they have placed in emergency accommodation in the rental
sector.

So is the new solution to solve the homeless emergency to manipulate the numbers ?
This could be possibly the tenth thread started on the same topic 'the Homeless' by this poster...

http://www.politics.ie/search.php?searchid=11589158
 

carlovian

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Of course they're not homeless. They are living in a house. Or should everyone who doesn't own their own house be categorised as homeless?
Anyone in EMERGENCY accommodation is classified by the Department of Housing as homeless.

What it looks like the Department are trying to do is eliminate the homeless people in emergency
rented accommodation.

So if a family get put in a hotel for 3 months, they are included but if they are put in a rented house
for 3 months then they are being eliminated.
 

carlovian

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How many homes have been refused by those making up these statistics ?
You tell me, you are probably closer to the minster.
 

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So if a family get put in a hotel for 3 months, they are included but if they are put in a rented house
for 3 months then they are being eliminated.
And rightly so IMO. How can you say someone living in a house, even on an emergency basis, is homeless? It makes no sense to me.
 

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And rightly so IMO. How can you say someone living in a house, even on an emergency basis, is homeless? It makes no sense to me.
Take it up with the Department of housing.

That's how they classify it.
 

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Meh. Louth don't get to define what homeless is. The department does. Now people can quibble on whether that definition is fair and reasonable, but yes: If the councils have been misapplying the definition, those numbers should come out.

But obviously when you do that, you don't just say "Hey look we moved from X in Feb to X-600 in March, this is BRILLIANT!" you need to apply the definition over a longer period of time backwards to provide the actual picture.

Because this has no impact on the actual run rate of fixing actual homelessness. And I would agree with a point that if you're in a rented house then you're not defined as homeless.
 

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Where is AK47 who played a pivotal role in redefining homelessness by changing the rules, and effectively encouraging people to find a way to subsidized accomodation ?
 

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Meh. Louth don't get to define what homeless is. The department does. Now people can quibble on whether that definition is fair and reasonable, but yes: If the councils have been misapplying the definition, those numbers should come out.

But obviously when you do that, you don't just say "Hey look we moved from X in Feb to X-600 in March, this is BRILLIANT!" you need to apply the definition over a longer period of time backwards to provide the actual picture.

Because this has no impact on the actual run rate of fixing actual homelessness. And I would agree with a point that if you're in a rented house then you're not defined as homeless.


You are if its an emergency 1 or 3 month lease.

From the journal.ie article

"Director of Louth housing services said that recently the council had been leasing private houses from landlords to provide an alternative to B&B or hotel accommodation for homeless people.

At the end of March, 100 households including 32 children were accommodated in this type of accommodation in Louth, the director said.

He made it clear in the memo that this type of accommodation is a temporary solution, and that people staying in the houses are not deemed to have their housing needs met, and therefore are still considered homeless."
 

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And if they're considered homeless according to the department's definition, then yes: They're homeless. Agree, the dept can't capriciously change the definitions.

If they're homeless according to Louth's opinion or local procedure: They're not homeless.
 

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If a single person in Dublin is getting Social welfare and a HAP payment they are getting around €23,000 a year. Are they homeless? And more worryingly, is there any chance they will leave that safety net and find a job?
 

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If a single person in Dublin is getting Social welfare and a HAP payment they are getting around €23,000 a year. Are they homeless? And more worryingly, is there any chance they will leave that safety net and find a job?
You qualify for social housing as a single person on a gross income up to € 48,000 per annum
 


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