Are the Department of Housing understating the homeless figures ?



fergal1790

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Anyone in EMERGENCY accommodation is classified by the Department of Housing as homeless.

What it looks like the Department are trying to do is eliminate the homeless people in emergency
rented accommodation.

So if a family get put in a hotel for 3 months, they are included but if they are put in a rented house
for 3 months then they are being eliminated.
Next Leo's batty-boy housing minister will be saying that those in Family Hubs and hotels are not homeless.

And rightly so IMO. How can you say someone living in a house, even on an emergency basis, is homeless? It makes no sense to me.
If the house is leased by the council using homeless funding and specifically to house persons in the short term(for which they will be paying higher rents) they are in emergency accommodation. They can be moved on at any time.

And if they're considered homeless according to the department's definition, then yes: They're homeless. Agree, the dept can't capriciously change the definitions.

If they're homeless according to Louth's opinion or local procedure: They're not homeless.
The councils are using "section 10" homeless funding to pay for these emergency houses as an alternative to B&B or hotel accommodation for families while they are sourcing longer term HAP housing.
 

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Interesting story from the journal.ie today claiming that the Department of Housing
are getting Co.Councils to understate the homeless figures, probably in a desperate
bid to keep the figure below 10,000

Council told by Housing Department not to include people it says are homeless in monthly figures

Louth Co. Council are saying that they received a memo telling them not to
include families they have placed in emergency accommodation in the rental
sector.

So is the new solution to solve the homeless emergency to manipulate the numbers ?
"Homelessness crisis" exposed as fake news.

Lyin' leftie leeches not happy.
 

carlovian

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School list
Housing List

What you reckon ?
I’ve been that soldier for schools already.

May have to start on the housing for them next and they are only in primary school.
 

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Meh. Louth don't get to define what homeless is. The department does. Now people can quibble on whether that definition is fair and reasonable, but yes: If the councils have been misapplying the definition, those numbers should come out.

But obviously when you do that, you don't just say "Hey look we moved from X in Feb to X-600 in March, this is BRILLIANT!" you need to apply the definition over a longer period of time backwards to provide the actual picture.

Because this has no impact on the actual run rate of fixing actual homelessness. And I would agree with a point that if you're in a rented house then you're not defined as homeless.
Meh, common sense. :roll:

It will never catch on around these here parts.
 

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Of course they're not homeless. They are living in a house. Or should everyone who doesn't own their own house be categorised as homeless?
Just think of what the expression "a home" means. Is there not something longterm about it?
Or maybe you change your "home" every few months?
 

carlovian

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Rte running the story

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2018/0503/960013-homeless/

"The Department of Housing has confirmed too that this accommodation is being paid for out of emergency funds by local authorities.

However, a spokesperson for the minister has insisted these people are not homeless.

He said they are living in a local authority or a leased private property and they will only have to leave when a long-term tenancy is found for them."

Looks like a desperate attempt to keep the numbers below 10,000
 

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So it turns out many 'homeless' have same security of accommodation as many working/renting people.

How terrible for them.

We don't have a homelessness crisis.

We have a street junkie crisis, a mental health crisis ( which is absolutely shameful, but hey they don't vote so who cares right ?), and loads of people trying to jump the housing list cos they don't fancy paying a mortgage for 30 years.
 

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Eoghan Murphy and Eoin Ó Broin coming up on RTÉ radio to discuss
 

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So it turns out many 'homeless' have same security of accommodation as many working/renting people.

How terrible for them.

We don't have a homelessness crisis.

We have a street junkie crisis, a mental health crisis ( which is absolutely shameful, but hey they don't vote so who cares right ?), and loads of people trying to jump the housing list cos they don't fancy paying a mortgage for 30 years.
Those genuinely in need, need to be identified.
 

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So it turns out many 'homeless' have same security of accommodation as many working/renting people.

How terrible for them.

We don't have a homelessness crisis.

We have a street junkie crisis, a mental health crisis ( which is absolutely shameful, but hey they don't vote so who cares right ?), and loads of people trying to jump the housing list cos they don't fancy paying a mortgage for 30 years.




Yeah that's it - you've cracked it, why didn't we see it before...oh you forgot the migrants, tut, tut bobby slipping up - moron!
 

carlovian

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Those genuinely in need, need to be identified.
Or pushed off the list to keep it below 10,000.

Next month, remove all Sean's and Mary's from the list ?
 

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There should be no social welfare allowed in rent pressure zones.
All that's happening is they are forcing up rents for those people who work and pay for the social welfare renter.
The renting taxpayer loses out twice.
It's a crazy scenario.
 

carlovian

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There should be no social welfare allowed in rent pressure zones.
All that's happening is they are forcing up rents for those people who work and pay for the social welfare renter.
The renting taxpayer loses out twice.
It's a crazy scenario.
There wouldnt be a need to pay HAP if the government had built social houses.

This is the flaw in Rebuilding Ireland.
 

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There should be no social welfare allowed in rent pressure zones.
All that's happening is they are forcing up rents for those people who work and pay for the social welfare renter.
The renting taxpayer loses out twice.
It's a crazy scenario.
Would that include OAPs? The disabled? We could set up a camp for them, couldn’t we?
 

drjimryan2

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So it turns out many 'homeless' have same security of accommodation as many working/renting people.

How terrible for them.

We don't have a homelessness crisis.

We have a street junkie crisis, a mental health crisis ( which is absolutely shameful, but hey they don't vote so who cares right ?), and loads of people trying to jump the housing list cos they don't fancy paying a mortgage for 30 years.
and lets not forget the 24, 3 kids, 3 fathers (all feckless) crisis....
 

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After fake crime statistics comes the fake homelessness statistics. :roll: This is the govt of Fake News.
 


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