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Are the far-left and the far-right comparable? Which is more dangerous to society?


readytogo

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Anti-fascism is a big concern for many on the socialist left. Their definition of fascism can be quite elastic and always seems to exclude ultra-reactionary Islamists (who are often seen as an oppressed minority) but usually encompasses even those mildly concerned about immigration.

Not to impugn their sincerity, but many legitimately wonder whether the far-left are ignoring extremists in their own camp. As for micro-Marxist parties aspiring to overthrow every government in the world...if that isn't 'extremist', what is? We hear a lot about Golden Dawn in Greece, but almost nothing about the Stalinist KKE.

Even today, the memory of the communist totalitarian dictatorships (like the old Soviet Union, or modern Cuba) seem to be treated very mildly compared with the fascist totalitarian regimes, like Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy.
 


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Historically the far left have led to far more deaths and destruction.
 

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Anti-fascism is a big concern for many on the socialist left. Their definition of fascism can be quite elastic and always seems to exclude ultra-reactionary Islamists (who are often seen as an oppressed minority) but usually encompasses even those mildly concerned about immigration.

Not to impugn their sincerity, but many legitimately wonder whether the far-left are ignoring extremists in their own camp. As for micro-Marxist parties aspiring to overthrow every government in the world...if that isn't 'extremist', what is? We hear a lot about Golden Dawn in Greece, but almost nothing about the Stalinist KKE.

Even today, the memory of the communist totalitarian dictatorships (like the old Soviet Union, or modern Cuba) seem to be treated very mildly compared with the fascist totalitarian regimes, like Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy.
Fascists and the Socialist Left are squabbling sibblings.


They are equally a threat.
 

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Historically the far left have led to far more deaths and destruction.
As we speak, Honecker is tossing uncomfortably under his Uncle Joe Stalin duvet, sensing that somewhere the running dog of imperialism gijoe is dissing Scientific Socialism............. any moment now ........................................
 

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They meet at the extremes in their fondness for totalitarianism. If one goes by body count, the extreme left has been lethal to humans on a scale the extreme right can only envy.
 

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They meet at the extremes in their fondness for totalitarianism. If one goes by body count, the extreme left has been lethal to humans on a scale the extreme right can only envy.
They meet at several points around the compass - they are essentially the same thing.


They have a commitment to centralised control and direction of economic decisions.
They both have no truck with freedom of speech or freedom of the press/media.
They both see no need for elections - unless they can be assured of winning.
And, most interestingly, they promote their cause through division - "us" versus "them" - but with their own twist. Fascists pick a division on culture (them fureners), Socialists pick a social division (them bosses/rich).
 

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Any ideology that places the will of the 'movement' above the rights of individuals is dangerous. Whether it claims to be fascist or socialist is less important than if it believes that the ends justify the means.
 

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As we speak, Honecker is tossing uncomfortably under his Uncle Joe Stalin duvet, sensing that somewhere the running dog of imperialism gijoe is dissing Scientific Socialism............. any moment now ........................................
Were the provos who carried out Kingsmill considered to be far left or far right?
 
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Remember naziism was the national SOCIALIST german WORKERS party.
 

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They meet at the extremes in their fondness for totalitarianism. If one goes by body count, the extreme left has been lethal to humans on a scale the extreme right can only envy.
Exactly, Stalin, Mao, PolPot etc.
 

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I always find it amazing how it's ok for the Cuban people to be held at the point of a gun as long as they don't have to pay for their GP appointment.
 

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I always find it amazing how it's ok for the Cuban people to be held at the point of a gun as long as they don't have to pay for their GP appointment.
You're far more likely to be shot or incarcerated in the US than in Cuba. You also have less access to a GP. No country locks up a greater proportion of it's people than the US.
 

readytogo

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You're far more likely to be shot or incarcerated in the US than in Cuba. You also have less access to a GP. No country locks up a greater proportion of it's people than the US.
How many people does the US lock up simply for speaking out against their own government?
 

Honecker

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Historically the far left have led to far more deaths and destruction.
Not true

They meet at the extremes in their fondness for totalitarianism. If one goes by body count, the extreme left has been lethal to humans on a scale the extreme right can only envy.
Every post of yours is factually inaccurate so this is no surprise

Remember naziism was the national SOCIALIST german WORKERS party.
There's always some idiot who trys to claim Hitler was a socialist. Someone has been watching too much Glenn Beck.
 

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Communism = owns the means of production + restricts freedom excessively

Fascism = regulates the means of production excessively + restricts freedom excessively

on the scale of 1 to 10 of evil they both sit side by side in the 9-10 range.
 

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Anti-fascism is a big concern for many on the socialist left. Their definition of fascism can be quite elastic and always seems to exclude ultra-reactionary Islamists (who are often seen as an oppressed minority) but usually encompasses even those mildly concerned about immigration.

Not to impugn their sincerity, but many legitimately wonder whether the far-left are ignoring extremists in their own camp. As for micro-Marxist parties aspiring to overthrow every government in the world...if that isn't 'extremist', what is? We hear a lot about Golden Dawn in Greece, but almost nothing about the Stalinist KKE.

Even today, the memory of the communist totalitarian dictatorships (like the old Soviet Union, or modern Cuba) seem to be treated very mildly compared with the fascist totalitarian regimes, like Nazi Germany or Fascist Italy.
Nazi Germany was not a fascist regime. The Nazis believed that the Reich should be run along racial lines. Fascism has nothing intrinsically to do with racism although it is possible to be a racist and a fascist.
 

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Nazi Germany was not a fascist regime. The Nazis believed that the Reich should be run along racial lines. Fascism has nothing intrinsically to do with racism although it is possible to be a racist and a fascist.
That's a fair point. If one looks back at the origins of fascism in Italy, it certain differs substantially from the modern interpretation of the word.
 

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