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Are the Germans vicious thugs who can only be appeased by submission to Political Union?

Hans Von Horn

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It is now almost received wisdom in Europe that the EU has ensured peace over the last 63 years, or a least so the Europhiles would have us believe.

This line of argument suggests that without the EU the Germans would revert to becoming violent savages, much in the manner of Hitler and the Kaiser.

The other suggestion in this line of thinking in this that only a grand alliance can prevent and contain the Great Power to the east of Europe, Russia. A growing EU that expands its influence to the east and to the south east must surely create risk of conflict with Russia rather than preserve us from risk of conflict.

Do we really have Former Nations in the EU who wish to punish any former Nation that wishes to regain their Sovereignty and the power to govern themselves? Are our EU Partners prepared to determined to inflict punitive Tariffs on the UK even if it will do massive damage to our economy?

Do we wish to be part of any Union that uses coercion to force people to stay in such a union? If the EU will oppress a large Nation of 65 million people what would it be prepared to do to a Nation of just 4.6 million?
 


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It is now almost received wisdom in Europe that the EU has ensured peace over the last 63 years, or a least so the Europhiles would have us believe.

This line of argument suggests that without the EU the Germans would revert to becoming violent savages, much in the manner of Hitler and the Kaiser.

The other suggestion in this line of thinking in this that only a grand alliance can prevent and contain the Great Power to the east of Europe, Russia. A growing EU that expands its influence to the east and to the south east must surely create risk of conflict with Russia rather than preserve us from risk of conflict.

Do we really have Former Nations in the EU who wish to punish any former Nation that wishes to regain their Sovereignty and the power to govern themselves? Are our EU Partners prepared to determined to inflict punitive Tariffs on the UK even if it will do massive damage to our economy?

Do we wish to be part of any Union that uses coercion to force people to stay in such a union? If the EU will oppress a large Nation of 65 million people what would it be prepared to do to a Nation of just 4.6 million?
Are windy rhetorical questions worthless? (Yes).

Are Germans vicious thugs? (No).

Is this thread racist for ascribing the term vicious to a whole nation? (No).

Are you a fvcking idiot for making the claim? (Yes).
 

RasherHash

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It is now almost received wisdom in Europe that the EU has ensured peace over the last 63 years, or a least so the Europhiles would have us believe.

This line of argument suggests that without the EU the Germans would revert to becoming violent savages, much in the manner of Hitler and the Kaiser.

The other suggestion in this line of thinking in this that only a grand alliance can prevent and contain the Great Power to the east of Europe, Russia. A growing EU that expands its influence to the east and to the south east must surely create risk of conflict with Russia rather than preserve us from risk of conflict.

Do we really have Former Nations in the EU who wish to punish any former Nation that wishes to regain their Sovereignty and the power to govern themselves? Are our EU Partners prepared to determined to inflict punitive Tariffs on the UK even if it will do massive damage to our economy?

Do we wish to be part of any Union that uses coercion to force people to stay in such a union? If the EU will oppress a large Nation of 65 million people what would it be prepared to do to a Nation of just 4.6 million?
Aren't the Brits, French etc also vicious thugs long before the Germans ever got into the business?
 

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It is now almost received wisdom in Europe that the EU has ensured peace over the last 63 years, or a least so the Europhiles would have us believe.

This line of argument suggests that without the EU the Germans would revert to becoming violent savages, much in the manner of Hitler and the Kaiser.

The other suggestion in this line of thinking in this that only a grand alliance can prevent and contain the Great Power to the east of Europe, Russia. A growing EU that expands its influence to the east and to the south east must surely create risk of conflict with Russia rather than preserve us from risk of conflict.

Do we really have Former Nations in the EU who wish to punish any former Nation that wishes to regain their Sovereignty and the power to govern themselves? Are our EU Partners prepared to determined to inflict punitive Tariffs on the UK even if it will do massive damage to our economy?

Do we wish to be part of any Union that uses coercion to force people to stay in such a union? If the EU will oppress a large Nation of 65 million people what would it be prepared to do to a Nation of just 4.6 million?
Your narrative was carefully crafted in the strategic think tanks in Washington and all playing out nicely now under the watchful eye of the CIA.

I do not blame you.

The only antidote is for the EU to man up, tell the yanks to clear off and make a very solid treaty with Russia.
Such an ambition has been steadily thwarted by the USA since 1945.
 

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Aren't the Brits, French etc also vicious thugs long before the Germans ever got into the business?
Europeans need to stop squabbling and look at the problem objectively.

The root of it lies in the American push to promote German hegemony over Europe.


The Germans buy into this because it suits.


It is contrary to the long term interests of both the EU and the continent of Europe as a whole.
 

hollandia

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It is now almost received wisdom in Europe that the EU has ensured peace over the last 63 years, or a least so the Europhiles would have us believe.

This line of argument suggests that without the EU the Germans would revert to becoming violent savages, much in the manner of Hitler and the Kaiser.

The other suggestion in this line of thinking in this that only a grand alliance can prevent and contain the Great Power to the east of Europe, Russia. A growing EU that expands its influence to the east and to the south east must surely create risk of conflict with Russia rather than preserve us from risk of conflict.

Do we really have Former Nations in the EU who wish to punish any former Nation that wishes to regain their Sovereignty and the power to govern themselves? Are our EU Partners prepared to determined to inflict punitive Tariffs on the UK even if it will do massive damage to our economy?

Do we wish to be part of any Union that uses coercion to force people to stay in such a union? If the EU will oppress a large Nation of 65 million people what would it be prepared to do to a Nation of just 4.6 million?
 

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It is now almost received wisdom in Europe that the EU has ensured peace over the last 63 years, or a least so the Europhiles would have us believe.

This line of argument suggests that without the EU the Germans would revert to becoming violent savages, much in the manner of Hitler and the Kaiser.

The other suggestion in this line of thinking in this that only a grand alliance can prevent and contain the Great Power to the east of Europe, Russia. A growing EU that expands its influence to the east and to the south east must surely create risk of conflict with Russia rather than preserve us from risk of conflict.

Do we really have Former Nations in the EU who wish to punish any former Nation that wishes to regain their Sovereignty and the power to govern themselves? Are our EU Partners prepared to determined to inflict punitive Tariffs on the UK even if it will do massive damage to our economy?

Do we wish to be part of any Union that uses coercion to force people to stay in such a union? If the EU will oppress a large Nation of 65 million people what would it be prepared to do to a Nation of just 4.6 million?
I wouldn't limit this to the Germans...

Europe is full of ex-colonial powers living cheek by jowel who don't seem to trust themselves to behave without something like the EU.

It's the only place on the planet where there are so many of them in such close proximity.

And it's a great pity imo... that smaller ex-colonised countries like Ireland are caught up in their self doubts and that our 'establishment' class are so eager to fall into line and be colonised again...

Britain is the first ex-colonial power to basically give the two fingers to the EU...

No doubt they will always convince themselves that they're on the 'right' side of history and disregard and absolve themselves of all blame for anything they may have triggered with their gesticulation...

It's not a good thing imo... and has exposed and emboldened the arrogance and condescending sh!te that we all know lies just below the surface of much of the British 'establishment'...

Ah well... such is life...

Ireland is just an observer in all this anyway...
 

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Your pic really should display the US neocons who have masterminded the current EU debacle of semi Germanic hegemony and Russian isolation.

The USA are the clear winners and Europes politicians collude to the long term detriment of every European.
 

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I wouldn't limit it to the Germans...

Europe is full of ex-colonial powers living cheek by jowel who don't seem to trust themselves to behave without something like the EU.

It's just a pity that smaller ex-colonised countries like Ireland are caught up in their self doubts and that are 'establishment' class are so eager to fall into line and be colonised again...

Britain is the first ex-colonial power to basically give the two fingers to the EU...

No doubt they will always convince themselves that they're on the 'right' side of history and disregard anything they may have triggered with their gesticulation...

It's not a good thing imo... and has exposed the and emboldened the arrogance and condescending sh!te that we all know lies just below the surface of much of the British 'establishment'...

Ah well... such is life...

Ireland is just an observer in all this anyway...
Ireland and the rest of Europe is directly affected by this USA strategy.

Why else would it be so unpopular to ascribe selfish motives to the USA?


Ireland thinks the USA is a friendly country to Europe.

Nations do not have friends they only have interests
 

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Ireland and the rest of Europe is directly affected by this USA strategy.

Why else would it be so unpopular to ascribe selfish motives to the USA?


Ireland thinks the USA is a friendly country to Europe.

Nations do not have friends they only have interests
I don't know wtf you're on about...

Nor do I want to.

The USA blah blah blah... FFS... :roll:
 

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Your pic really should display the US neocons who have masterminded the current EU debacle of semi Germanic hegemony and Russian isolation.

The USA are the clear winners and Europes politicians collude to the long term detriment of every European.
My pic aptly sums up the content of the OP, thanks.
 

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My pic aptly sums up the content of the OP, thanks.
Be that as it may, to be comprehensive you actually require a pic of the US neocons who have organized the semi hegemony of Germany over the EU and also the continuing friction with Russia.

All of this is contrary to the EU,s long term vital interests and only benefits the USA.
 

hollandia

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Be that as it may, to be comprehensive you actually require a pic of the US neocons who have organized the semi hegemony of Germany over the EU and also the continuing friction with Russia.

All of this is contrary to the EU,s long term vital interests and only benefits the USA.
Nope. To be clear, and for the avoidance of doubt, I think the OP is boll0cks. As is your "analysis".
 

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I don't know wtf you're on about...

Nor do I want to.

The USA blah blah blah... FFS... :roll:
Why do you not read my posts fully?

If you did you could respond normally instead of getting frustrated.

US foreign policy has encouraged the Germans to take command of the EU and also to make the EU hostile to Russia.

This suits the USA,s long term strategic ambitions with regard to Europe.


I do not know what could be clearer.



Irish people like to bask in a warm fuzzy glow that the USA is friendly toward Ireland and the rest of Europe.
It is not.

The USA has interests in these countries and everything else including "friendship" plays very much second fiddle to the agrressive promotion of these interests
 

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Nope. To be clear, and for the avoidance of doubt, I think the OP is boll0cks. As is your "analysis".
Why are you here then if you think the OP is bolloks?

My analysis is spot on.

You like many others like to bask in the warm glow of what you deludedly believe is the friendship of the USA to Ireland and to Europe.

No such friendship exists.


What does exist is a highly rational twin calculation by US experts that :

[a] encouraging Germany to dominate the EU is a good thing because
succeed or fail the USA will not be affected economically and

encouraging emnity between the EU/Europe and Russia keeps all those parties weak and never likely to challenge US economic supremacy.

Think about it and especially what has been happening over the past decade.
 
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