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Are the Guards Corrupt? Are the Guards Out of Control?

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I believe every 10 years or so the Metropolitan Police in London do an anti-corruption trawl through their ranks. Each time they do so they uncover hundreds of bent coppers - drugs, backhanders, convenient loss of case files, extortion, etc., etc.

To my knowledge in the whole history of this state there has been no similar systematic trawl through garda ranks (I may be wrong). If the current clutch of small minded self-serving gombeens who run this country want me to believe that significant numbers of garda are not up to every sort of racket and criminal thuggery, then I would have to ask them to excuse me before grabbing their florid, overfed faces and shoving them, sneer first, down the nearest toilet bowl.

Many cops own pubs i believe or have interests in them. Many cops, in my own personal experience, are sneering, aggressive, unhelpful and not a million miles away from the kind of thugs you imagine they are supposed to be there to protect you against. The Guards are, basically, out of control.

This is apart from any considerations of the need for the 'thin blue line' and doesn't, of course, relate to those who aren't bent or who have acted well. It is about that which is rotten in the guards in this state.
 


martin TYRONE

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Good post CC.
 

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I dont agree the gardai are out of control but they could improve in many respects and the trawl you are talking about could help in that respect.

Priority 1 for me is getting them out of bus lanes and onto Westmoreland street at 3.00am
 

martin TYRONE

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This nonsense of Gardai investigating Gardai has to stop as well---and the compromise the Mc do do keeps using - an inquiry with a minority of civilians on a pannel with a majority of serving/retired Gardai to investigate Gardai is a load of tripe as well.
 

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Do you think it would be useful to have a Garda Ombudsman here, like they do for the PSNI up north?
 

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agora said:
Do you think it would be useful to have a Garda Ombudsman here, like they do for the PSNI up north?
Hell yeah---Patten reforms should be fully implemented north and south.
 

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martin TYRONE said:
agora said:
Do you think it would be useful to have a Garda Ombudsman here, like they do for the PSNI up north?
Hell yeah---Patten reforms should be fully implemented north and south.
If the Patten reforms and the Ombudsman have worked so well, how come SF still aren't sitting on Police Boards?
 

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agora said:
martin TYRONE said:
agora said:
Do you think it would be useful to have a Garda Ombudsman here, like they do for the PSNI up north?
Hell yeah---Patten reforms should be fully implemented north and south.
If the Patten reforms and the Ombudsman have worked so well, how come SF still aren't sitting on Police Boards?

It has never been given the chance to work so well----in the north we have Patten ultra-lite---but in the proposals there is great potential if they were implemented in their entirety.
 

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Irish Corruption Gardai Archived Posts from this Category Gardai& Brian Rossiter19 Oct 2005 01:42 pm Rossiters to boycott inquiry into son’s death The parents of Brian Rossiter have decided to boycott the inquiry into their son’s death, and the story was making the rounds in the evening news stories yesterday. McDowell was on Morning Ireland this morning to give his view, you can listen to that here. He argued that the fees are reasonable, while the hack on Morning Ireland argued that the Garda Representative Association (GRA) may end up helping the Gardai involved by paying extra for the more expensive (read ‘better’) Senior Counsels. Some SC’s can charge as much as 3-4000 euro per day, while the Rossiter’s have been given a fee of €1008 a day. Conor Lally and Joe Humphries report in the Irish Times: He said a daily fee of €1,008 had been offered for senior counsel, €720 for junior counsel and €800 for a solicitor. However, because there was no provision for payment for preparatory work or for expenses incurred during the hearing, the Rossiters could not take part in the inquiry. “I think everybody is going to have to get used to the daily fee, but if the Minister thinks this works like a district court, where you just stand up and talk, that’s not how it works,” Mr O’Carroll said. He was having difficulty finding a senior counsel who was available and willing to take on the work because they were not going to be paid for their preparation. Mr O’Carroll also said that because he was based in Cashel and Clonmel, the lack of any expenses on offer was a cause of considerable difficulty. “They won’t be [able to attend], it’s as simple as that. And we should not be expected to hand over any of the information we have gathered over the last three years if I am not there to represent the interests of my clients,” he said. Mr McDowell said he regretted the Rossiters hadn’t availed of the “generous legal fees” he had provided for lawyers in the inquiry. The inquiry had statutory powers to request people to attend whether or not they had a lawyer. The Minister said all solicitors and barristers were being paid the same rate for all commissions of inquiry in accordance with recently passed legislation. This followed “a pattern of higher fees which has been the subject of much public criticism”. While some lawyers might have “ingrained expectations” for the old pattern of fees, a new era had arrived and expectations would move to reflect that. Mr O’Carroll told The Irish Times he has also informed the chairman of the statutory inquiry, Hugh Hartnett SC, that the Rossiter family believed the inquiry’s terms of reference were too narrow. They were concerned the inquiry was taking place in closed session and could not be reported on by the media. The inquiry proper is expected to begin next week. Brian Rossiter was found unconscious in a cell in Clonmel Garda station on the morning of September 11th, 2002, following his arrest on suspicion of a public order offence the previous night. He was taken to St Joseph’s hospital in Clonmel and later transferred to Cork University Hospital but never regained consciousness and died there on September 13th, 2002. Four weeks ago Mr McDowell announced that Mr Hartnett would conduct the inquiry into the death. The dead boy’s parents, Pat and Siobhan, are also pursuing a civil action. They have questioned the appropriateness of establishing an inquiry under Section 12 of the Dublin Police Act, 1924, which Mr O’Carroll has said means the inquiry is “in essence a Garda Síochána disciplinary forum”. Mr Hartnett will have the power to summon witnesses and to examine them under oath. No Comments Yet Morris Tribunal& Gardai& The State13 Oct 2005 12:54 pm Shortt awarded €1.93m for wrongful conviction It sounds like a massive amount, but really, it seems incredibly small for the trauma Frank Shortt went through. It really is staggering that in an apparent modern democracy that these kind of abuses took place. Instead of quoting the article in IT, let me paraphrase. In 1995 a 60 year old man, Frank Shortt, married father of 5 children, was convicted in relation to alleged sale of drugs on his premises at the Point Inn nightclub in Donegal. While in prison he had 6 other charges hanging over him. Before he had the chance to sell the nightclub it burnt down, leaving him with nothing. Det Garda Noel McMahon and Supt Kevin Lennon of the Buncrana division suppressed evidence, planted evidence and perjured evidence was relied upon during the original trial. Frank Shortt served over 2 years in prison, released in 1998, for crimes he was framed for. The Gardai involved did not expect Shortt to get a jail term but did nothing to remedy the situation subsequently. Shortt, now 70, was cleared. He received €806,221 for losses related to Point Inn, plus €550,000 for loss of profits. He was awarded damages of €500,000 under the Criminal Procedure Act. He was also awarded costs plus a substantial exemplary damages put at €50,000. He is right to appeal, it essentially ruined 10 years of his life, and he deserves far more having suffered such an injustice at the hands of the State. Comments (1) Gardai& Brian Rossiter20 Sep 2005 01:03 am Rossiters believe inquiry terms too narrow As I expected would happen, the family of Brian Rossiter consider that the terms of the Dublin Police Act are not enough for an investigation into the death of their son. It seemed to me like a rather convenient way for McDowell to shut Village magazine up. The parents of schoolboy Brian Rossiter (14), who died after a night in Garda custody, might not participate in an inquiry into the circumstances of his arrest and detention because they believe its terms of reference are too narrow. Cian O’Carroll, solicitor for Pat and Siobhán Rossiter, told The Irish Times the family is considering their position because they feel the inquiry will be unable to answer why Brian died. Mr O’Carroll pointed out the Rossiter family may opt to pursue a High Court action instituted by Siobhán Rossiter over her son’s death as they feel the Government inquiry is being brought under legislation that is overly restrictive. He said the Dublin Police Act 1924 will limit the inquiry to simply a Garda disciplinary-type forum and that the Rossiters believe the High Court action will provide a better forum to investigate what happened to Brian. Mr O’Carroll said the promise by Minister for Justice Michael McDowell to pay legal costs did not reflect the market reality of legal fees as charged by senior counsel. “The figure that’s on offer here for senior counsel per day is €1,008 but there’s no senior counsel currently before any tribunal in the country appearing for that amount.” No Comments Yet Gardai20 Sep 2005 01:00 am Family calls for new inquiry into cell hanging Another death in Garda custody. A man who died in hospital at the weekend after he attempted to hang himself while in Garda custody may have been mistreated, his family has claimed. The family of Terence Wheelock from Dublin’s north inner city has called for an independent inquiry into his death. Mr Wheelock was detained by gardaí in a cell in Store Street Garda station on June 2nd last, where he attempted to hang himself with a cord taken from his tracksuit bottoms. Gardaí and fire brigade officers rushed Mr Wheelock to the Mater hospital, where he died on Friday having never regained consciousness. Evidence was given that the cord had been secured so low down on the wall that Mr Wheelock had to kneel in his bid to strangle himself. Yet his family has claimed that he was not suicidal and laid flowers at the Garda station on Saturday. The family also insists that Mr Wheelock suffered bruising and sustained a cut. Neither gardaí nor fire officers supported this allegation. A Garda inquiry was set up to look into the circumstances surrounding Mr Wheelock’s death. However, family members claim they have not been given access to its findings or the statements which were made. The family are calling for an investigation, along the lines of the current one into Brian Rossiter’s death. No Comments Yet Brian Rossiter05 Jul 2005 01:24 am McDowell defends Rossiter inquiry The mechanism being used to investigate the death of Brian Rossiter is a rather odd one, and McDowell has come under fire because of it: The Minister for Justice has insisted that the inquiry he has set up into the 2002 death of 14-year-old Brian Rossiter after a night in Garda custody will be able to get at the truth. The Department of Justice issued a statement to this effect at the weekend after the Rossiter family’s solicitor Cian O’Carroll said he had concerns about the legislation on which the inquiry was based, the Dublin Police Act. Mr O’Carroll said he believed this Act only allowed for an investigation into alleged wrongdoing if there was a complaint against a specific named garda. “For that reason, it would not appear to give Hugh Hartnett licence to embark into a general inquiry into the manner and condition of Brian Rossiter’s arrest and detention,” he said. Officials at the Department of Justice worked over the weekend on the terms of reference for the statutory inquiry to be conducted by barrister Hugh Hartnett SC. Mr O’Carroll said yesterday that the Rossiter family would like the inquiry to take place in public, but they did not yet know whether this would happen. The department said yesterday it would send the terms of reference to Mr Hartnett next week “following consultation with the relevant parties”. Mr O’Carroll confirmed yesterday that as the family’s representative, he was among those to be consulted. “The terms of reference will enable Mr Hartnett to inquire into all the circumstances surrounding the arrest and treatment in custody of Brian Rossiter and the role of all gardaí who came into contact with him over the relevant period,” the Department said. “The Minister is completely satisfied that this can be achieved through the inquiry format which has been decided upon, ie the Dublin Police Act 1924, as amended,” it added. Mr O’Carroll said he believed the most appropriate mechanism to carry out a full and proper inquiry would be through the Commissions of Investigations Act 2004, which would allow for a comprehensive and more efficient inquiry. On this score I would be inclined to agree with the family’s solicitor. Here is the Dublin Police Act 1924 Here is the Commissions of Investigations Act 2004 Comments Off Media coverage& Brian Rossiter05 Jul 2005 01:08 am Anthony O’Sullivan on 5-7 Live It took RTE a while to cop onto the Brian Rossiter story. I started posting about it on Friday June 24th, prompted by Vincent Browne. While the VB show is broadcast on RTE, it took the RTE news department nearly a full week to start covering the story. And when they did, it was not their Crime Correspondent Paul Reynolds, but instead Political reporter David McCullagh. I would guess that has something to do with Reynolds wanting to keep his sources. I think it started with a 6 o’clock news bulletin on RTE1 on June 30th, to report on McDowell setting up an ‘investigation’ into the incident. Since then 5-7 Live have been covering the story, including an interview with Brian Rossiter’s father, and on Friday last, his friend Anthony O’Sullivan. The interview with Anthony O’Sullivan by Philip Boucher-Hayes is something everyone should listen to. I should say that it is very emotional, Hayes ends up consoling Anthony on the death of his friend, and reminding him that Brian’s death was not his fault. Comments (1) Gardai& Brian Rossiter27 Jun 2005 01:02 am More questions about death in Garda custody Vincent Browne continues his tirade against the Minister for Justice in today’s SBP. Vincent is right on the money. Note the comments in bold. It is surprising, therefore, that when a solicitor acting for the Rossiter family first wrote to the Minister for Justice, Michael McDowell, on January 16, 2004, alarm bells did not go off in the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform. They should have, because of the seriousness of the issue involved - the death of a 14-year-old boy in Garda custody - and because of the experience of Garda conduct in Donegal, as being revealed by the Morris Tribunal. The first reply, dated January 19, 2004, acknowledged receipt of the letter and stated the matter was “receiving attention’‘. There was no further indication of any “attention” for over two months. So on March 29 the solicitor again wrote to Mc Dowell saying: “I would have hoped that the matter would have received more urgent attention, particularly since it relates to the loss of such a young life.” On March 31 he received another reply saying the matter was “receiving attention”. On April 22 the solicitor wrote again, saying: “Your office’s failure to reply [to previous letters], coupled with the refusal of the coroner, the DPP and Gardai to furnish a copy of the autopsy records to my client, has done little to bolster their confidence in the state’s appetite for a proper investigation of their young son’s death.” On April 24, 2004, McDowell’s office replied that the matter was “receiving attention’‘. On May 20, McDowell’s private secretary wrote to the solicitor, saying: “On receipt of your letter dated 16 January 2004, the minister requested that the Garda authorities prepare a report on the matter. He will communicate with you further when it comes to hand.” Finally, on August 31, a substantive reply was received to the original letter of seven and a half months previously. It stated: “I regret the delay in replying, but this was due to the need to obtain a Garda report on the matter. This report is now to hand.” It went on: “The investigation of a criminal complaint is an operational matter for An Garda Siochána and, as such, the minister has no role or function herein.” It went on to refuse access to the autopsy report. So it took McDowell seven and a half months to conclude that the original representations made to him concerning the death of Brian Rossiter amounted to a criminal complaint, and that he had no function in the matter. No need to await a Garda report if that was the line to be taken. No need to wait seven and a half months. The bereaved family of Brian Rossiter could have been told to get lost seven months previously. What is new about all this is that when the heat was turned up on McDowell, he issued a statement on RTE’s 5-7 Live last Monday saying: “I have spoken to the Garda Commissioner about this tragic death and I have asked for a full report on this matter. I will not be commenting further until this report is released.” But, according to his office in the letter sent to the Rossiters’ solicitor on May 20, 2004, on receipt of the original complaint on January 16, 2004, “the minister requested the Garda authorities prepare a report on the matter”. If this was true, what is the reason for another report now from the same Garda authorities? One of the following explanations for this seeming contradiction may apply: -there was no original request to the Garda authorities for a report, and the claim that there was is a falsehood; -there was an original request, but the Garda authorities did not supply a report, McDowell did nothing and the claim that the report was “to hand’‘ by August 31, 2004 was a falsehood; -the Garda authorities did supply a report, but McDowell failed to follow through on it, and the recent announcement of a further request for a report is a falsehood, designed to cover up his previous inaction, or -this new request for a report from the Garda authorities is a subterfuge to cover up past inaction and buy time. What on earth is McDowell doing? Comments (1) Gardai& Brian Rossiter26 Jun 2005 11:31 pm Mae Sexton on Vincent Browne Last Thursday, June 23rd, there was a discussion on the Vincent Browne show on RTE Radio 1. The panel included various politicians, including Mae Sexton, PD TD for Longford/Roscommon. The debate in question centered on the death of Brian Rossiter in Garda custody in Clonmel in 2002. I have transribed a portion of the debate, but the audio will be available on archive at the RTE website. I have highlighted some curious remarks by Mae Sexton. VB: Mae Sexton, how could we be in a situation like this after all that has come out about the Gardai. How could the Minister for Justice behave like this yet again? MS: Well I suppose, could I first of all say that it is regrettable that anyone would die in Garda custody. Can I just ask this question by the way for clarity. Is this the young boy whose parents decided to leave him in the station over night to teach him a lesson? VB: His father did yeah. By the way it was illegal to have him remained, to have him retained in the station, but anyway.. MS: Yeah but I mean first and foremost, as I say, it’s regrettable that any child, at the end of the day it’s a child VB: We all know that, and when somebody starts off… MS: Ah no no VB: …some blather…diversionary blather.. MS: Not it’s not, it’s not. In defference to the family because they’ve lost a child. VB: We know, everyone knows that… MS: Just want to say….secondly, certainly if my 14 year old was arrested there’s absoultely no way, Vincent, that I would allow him to remain in a Garda station, no matter what he had done. Like he’s still a child, and… VB: Deal with the main points MS: Thirdly, this young man appears to have been assaulted before he ever got to the Garda station. He had been on the streets for a number of nights, apparently, before it happened. VB: He’d been playing around the streets beforehand…on the streets doesn’t mean that he was living rough or something. He wasn’t. MS: Well he was on the streets anyway and he was obviously being watched by the Gardai, because…I am only sayingthat this is my comprehension of what I’ve read, eh, about the case. And, so, I have to ask the question, y’know, why was he brought in and left there by his parents who should have been there… VB: His father… MS: Somebody should have been there… VB: His father.. MS: Well his father but someone should have been there in loco parentis, that’s the first thing I’d say in this particular case. VB: That’s the first thing you’d say? My god. Breathtaking. MS: Having said that, I am trying to defend what you are saying in relation to the reports that appear to have been given by Michael McDowell or to Micheal McDowell from the Gardai. I imagine that the first report would have been pretty much the same as any other reports, you can’t get involved in a case that is being pursued by the Gardai until it’s finished. I understand that there was a civil case being pursued as well which would have excluded the Ministers involvement in it. VB: No, no, no, no. What happened was that the fella who assaulted…and this too is a bit worrying, I would have thought. The fellow who assaulted him on the Sunday night was charged with manslaughter. So get in first and charge this fellow with manslaughter, fix the blame straight away. Now they’ve backed off that and they’re not going to charge him with manslaughter anymore they are just going to charge him with assault. MS: I’ll just finish the point I’m making, that there would appear to be a whole load of people responsible for what has happened. I would absolutely agree with you though, and Vincent I grew up beside the Garda barracks in Longford and I have the height of respect for the Gardai. But I am also fully aware that there are groups, in the country, of Gardai, who are capable of doing things that they shouldn’t do but I would be concerned first of all to hear exactly what the assault that took place was, and the reports on that assault. VB: Mae, Mae. The fact of the matter is that a boy, a 14 year old boy, died in Garda custody. MS: Absolutely VB: Wouldn’t you think that would necessitate an independent examination on it’s own? MS: Well I, yes I would imagine that will happen now.. VB: It didn’t happen MS: Well… VB: It hasn’t happened since, just a minute, just a minute. And then when this evidence begins to mount that there’s reason to be greviously worried about what happened to a boy in Garda custody. Wouldn’t you think after all we know about the Gardai that the Minister for Justice woul day, would now have the sense to say, let alone the humanity, but the sense to say ‘My god we better make sure we are not caught on the wrong side on this one, let’s have some independent examination of this’. The conversation then broadens, but comes back to VB versus MS: VB: Mae Sexton’s first response was to fix blame on the father MS: I absolutely believe that as a parent I have a responsibility…my 14 year old, anytime…and I make no apologies for that Vincent. Even though I am sorry for the father who didn’t….I still believe I would not leave my 14 year old in a Garda station. And I’ll tell you what, particularly when you talk about the McBrearty case and all that has gone on, who in their right mind would leave a 14 year old in the custody of Gardai? VB: You go on about this as a diversionary tactic to avoid the responsibility of Michael McDowell. MS: I’m not, I would welcome an investigation…absolutely The above marked comment is very strange indeed. Mae Sexton is saying that no minor is safe to be held in any Garda station anywhere, and by implication I would assume that if a 14 year old boy is not safe, then neither is anyone. Bringing the McBrearty case into only deepens the hole she has already gotten herself in. The question she poses is correct, but she doesn’t seem to realise that it makes her look incredibly hypocritical. Who indeed would either leave a 14 year old in Garda custody, or indeed an 18 year old, or a 30 year old, or anybody for that matter? … MS: You have already said that the charges have been changed from what were orginally manslaughter charges to assault charges, I presume he is trying to find out if the assault happened prior to i mean there’s natural justice here Vincent and I still say I would not have left my 14 year old son in a Garda station MS: (speaking over VB) to learn a lesson, Vincent come here listen, there is personal responsibilty on parents. You know there wouldn’t be any need for ASBOs and all the things that are needed if parents took responsibility for their children. Simple as that. Simple as that. And I fully accept that the Gardai are entitled to be defended, just because you find one group… VB: (speaking over MS)It’s shocking, shocking, shocking that you fix responsibility on the father for this appalling thing, is really appalling, it really is, I am actually sorry I brought it up, I didn’t think there would be anybody as cynical as you are to blame the boys father in the circumstances. Sorry about this, let’s go to a break. The above passage was a shouting match. Vincent became so angry he cut to a break. Comments (6) Gardai& Brian Rossiter24 Jun 2005 12:09 am Brian Rossiter Vincent Browne has taken this story to heart. It is an extremely serious incident, and one that I believe people do not know enough about. In fact it’s not extremely serious, it’s blatantly and completely unbelievable that this could happen in any country that claims to be a democracy. The long and short of it is, that in 2002 in Clonmel, a 14 year old boy went into a Garda cell and came out of it, for all intents and purposes, dead. There are very serious inconsistencies in this story, that would lead a reasonable person to call for a fully independent investigation into the circumstances of the death of Brian Rossiter. But the arms of the State do not see it that way. There are extremely serious questions to be asked of the behaviour of the Minister for Justice, Michael McDowell. Various things about this story could shock a reasonable person, but to me, what is most shocking is the behaviour of An Garda Siochana and the Minister. Here is the Irish Times reports on it: Brian Rossiter was involved in a row with an older man in the town around September 8th, 2002, during which he received a black eye. He was also complaining of headaches. Two days later he was arrested and taken into custody on suspicion of having committed public order offences following the breaking of windows in the town. His father Pat Rossiter said he consented to his son being held overnight in custody at the time because he felt that a “short, sharp shock” would teach him a lesson. Gardaí told him Brian had overdosed on alcohol and ecstasy, but two toxicology tests showed no alcohol or drugs in his system. So prima facia the Gardai lied to the family. It is also illegal for a 14 year old to be held in a Garda cell overnight. Brian was taken from the cell in a coma, and died after having his life support machine switched off. There are reasonable grounds for an independent, non-Garda investigation into the circumstances of someone becoming comatose in Garda custody and subsequently dying. More importantly when that person was a minor. I will be coming back to this story following the outrageous comments of Mae Sexton (PD) on the VB show last night. Comments (1) Gardai23 Jun 2005 11:00 pm Speed of Garda Bill criticised It is scandalous. And the Garda Bill 2004 has now been passed by the Dail. Labour leader Pat Rabbitte asked why the Taoiseach proposed to adjourn the Dáil on July 1st. “This is unprecedented in my memory. What possible excuse is there for adjourning this House on July 1st, except that the Taoiseach and his Government want to escape the chamber?” Taoiseach Bertie Ahern said that there had been a long debate on the Bill. “The heads of the Bill were published and a consultation process was initiated.” Fine Gael justice spokesman Jim O’Keeffe said that established parliamentary procedures, dating back to the 19th century or before, were in place to enable legislation to be considered properly over different stages. “Such procedures have been followed as long as we have participated in parliamentary democracy on this island and on our neighbouring island.” Comments Off Morris Tribunal& Gardai23 Jun 2005 10:57 pm McDowell denies he wanted to sack Garda chief Bitter exchanges in the Dail between Pat Rabitte and Michael McDowell. Minister for Justice Michael McDowell angrily denied he had wanted to sack Garda Commissioner Noel Conroy. The denial came amid heated Dáil exchanges with Labour leader Pat Rabbitte, who had asked Taoiseach Bertie Ahern if the Minister had sought to remove the commissioner. “That is an outrageous allegation,” said Mr McDowell, who was sitting on the Government benches. “There is no substance in it. The deputy has no principles.” Mr Rabbitte said he had not made any allegation. “I asked a question and I am very interested in the impact it has on the Minister.” Mr McDowell said it was a question similar to “when did you stop beating your wife?”. The full debate can be read here. Comments Off Gardai23 Jun 2005 10:34 pm Law will make sacking of gardaí easier Given that Gardai can’t really be sacked - no matter how corrupt or criminal they are found to be, this on the surface seems like good news. But I seriously doubt it will ever actually be used, afterall the acts carried out in Donegal by Gardai don’t get much more serious - and no one has been sacked. The significant new powers, described as “revolutionary” by the Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform, are likely to provoke fury among the Garda Representative Association and the Association of Garda Sergeants and Inspectors. Once the powers are implemented, the commissioner will be able to bypass long-running disciplinary appeals rules and sack gardaí if their presence in the force “undermines public confidence”. Five gardaí sharply criticised by the Morris tribunal have been transferred to the Garda headquarters in Dublin from Donegal, but they have yet to face disciplinary proceedings. Comments Off Morris Tribunal& Gardai20 Jun 2005 09:48 am Garda body tells Donegal officers to give ‘honest’ evidence Last night on the Week in Politics the Garda Representative Association General Secretary, PJ Stone said that the association had been wrong in the past to advise Donegal members not to account for their actions. He is saying now that: Those who are going out to Mr Justice Morris to give evidence, we are saying to them through our solicitor, give an accurate and full and honest account of the issue relating to your duties in Donegal Isn’t it mad that we live in a country where the investigating body that investigates Gardai, is essentially run by the Gardai, and that it cannot compel any Garda to give evidence? I am looking forward to seeing the full text of McDowells new Garda Bill. The Irish Examiner also reports on the story. No Comments Yet Morris Tribunal& Gardai17 Jun 2005 01:10 am Garda complaint board took nine months to act Yea, 9 months. The Garda Complaints Board received a complaint in February 1999, the complaint was not acted upon until November 1999. Mark McConnell, a cousin of Frank McBrearty Jnr, complained that he was being set up by Gardai. Comments Off Gardai16 Jun 2005 12:50 am Concerns over omission of TD’s statement It’s an interesting story alright: In September 2000 a constituent of [TD] Mr Dick Roche came to him alleging he had been beaten by gardaí the previous night following a disturbance at a birthday party at a hotel in Dublin’s south inner city. Michael Gaffney (18), from Bray, showed Mr Roche bruises and other marks on his body. Mr Roche drew up a statement, and sent it to the then minister for justice John O’Donoghue. This was sent on to the then Garda commissioner Pat Byrne. However, while Mr Byrne appointed a member of the force to compile a file for the complaints board, this member decided to exclude Mr Roche’s statement. Mr Holmes only learned of the existence of the statement after Mr Roche spoke about it in a special Prime Time programme last year. Mr Roche was “astonished” by the handling of his statement. But apparently such a thing cannot happen again: Mr Holmes was not satisfied with this explanation. “He [ Mr Roche] wasn’t just making representations, as you often find, he was actually a witness. He saw the person the next day, and saw the marks etc that were on that person. There are witnesses who were involved and he wasn’t involved, so his evidence would have carried more weight with us. “Certainly, as a matter of practice, an investigating officer should not remove a statement from a person, from anybody, least of all from a very responsible deputy, from a file they are sending down to us.” However, he was glad to see a protocol had been drawn up to prevent the same situation arising again. The case was highlighted in the 2004 annual report of the Garda Complaints Board yesterday. A protocol? Hmm. 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Sorry folks above was my attempt to provide a link with Gavin Sheridans ---Corruption in Irish society.
 

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BBoru said:
Congratulations, that has to be the longest post ever!

Did you read it ?
 

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I don't see why anyone could oppose this idea. Even the best police forces are not above corruption and thuggery, and let's face it, the Guards aren't exactly the world's finest.
 

pobail

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I used to think that half the stories about the Gardai assaulting young fellas, intimidating people, etc. were all just exagerations by little shits that thought it made them look hard.

Since joining SF I have experienced it first hand what they are really like. If they do the kind of thing they do to political activists who know their rights, I can only imagine what they do to some young fella acting the gobshite.
 

Terry Mac

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Ever see the way McDowell always says "This is the subject of an ongoing Garda investigation and I'm not going to comment on it in case I prejudice the outcome", except when it comes to anything remotely linked with SF or the IRA - suddenly he's blowing his trumpet off - "It was the IRA" , "Mr Murphy is lying" , "I was proven right about the Northern Bank" etc. Numpty
 

civic_critic

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Interesting how so few people on this site have any opinion about the police or questions about their conduct & probity. I wonder why that is?
(Apart from it being because martin killed the thread with the longest post in history)
 

edifice.

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48hrs. That'll open your eyes!
 

martin TYRONE

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civic_critic said:
Interesting how so few people on this site have any opinion about the police or questions about their conduct & probity. I wonder why that is?
(Apart from it being because martin killed the thread with the longest post in history)

Sorry CC it was intended to be a link to Galvin Sheridans Corruption in Irish Society----always worth a read-----JUST something went wrong somewhere.
 

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There needs to be a much greater effort to change the culture of those within An Garda Siochana. There are many decent guards out there, but also a fair few who simply should not be in the force. One of my friends is a guard and I remember talking to him when he was still in Templemore and him telling me that there were several lads in his class who liked to boast about how they were going to beat the crap out of anyone who gave them lip once they had properly started in the job. I've no doubt that most of those guys were only talking shite and probably would never do anything of the sort, but even if there were just a couple who were serious, that's far too many.
 

Risteard

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martin TYRONE said:
there is great potential if they were implemented in their entirety.
Great potential for the strengthening of English rule in Ireland, indeed.
 


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