Are UAVs a growing threat?


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UAVs (Unmanned Autonomous Vehicles), or drones, are now available for prices as little as €300.

There have been a couple of near misses involving them:

Heathrow Airbus in near miss with drone that ghosted into Britain's biggest airport undetected by air traffic control | Daily Mail Online

A drone carrying a flag resulted in the abandonment of a match beetween Serbia and Albania:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/14/sport/football/serbia-albania-game-abandoned/

Unlike model aircraft, UAVs are simple to operate. Their gyroscopes control the trim and other factors affecting stability. The user is merely specifying where it should be rather than altering the flight control surfaces in order to get the thing there.

They are already being used by the paparazzi as well as by the porn industry(!).

My question is as to whether terrorists will find a use for them.

Normally, model planes can only operate not only within line of sight of the operator, but also within a defined radius of the operator.

Some UAVs don't feature this limitation, though. If they are GPS enabled, they can be preprogrammed with a destination and will direct themselves there without requirement for the operator to be there. They can carry a small payload, but certainly enough to cause serious damage.

The drone carrying the flag into the football match could as easily have had a couple of kilos of primed explosive.

Will drones become a new terrorist threat?

If so, how can they be countered?

ETA: I should have included the fact that various nuclear power stations in France have reported flyovers by drones which were probably mapping the facilities. Orders now are to shoot down any seen in thee vicinty of sensitive installations.
 
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I'm intrigued to find out how they're used in the porn industry. "Boldly going where no man has gone before" is what springs to mind, but then again it's porn stars, not virgins
 
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I'm intrigued to find out how they're used in the porn industry. "Boldly going where no man has gone before" is what springs to mind, but then again it's porn stars, not virgins
The porn industry has always been excellent at exploiting new technology and awful at naming its films.

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/the-first-porn-film-made-by-drones-is-here-and-it-is-nsfw--lyqCaWIVPg

It's safe enough to click. You wouldn't find yourself ducking at a 3D money shot.
 

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I definitely think they will be used non State groups to carry out attacks and gather information

It remains to be seen how effective they will be though...
 

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UAV's are nothing more than souped up souped toy helicopters, which have been around for years.
 
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UAV's are nothing more than souped up souped toy helicopters, which have been around for years.
Programmable via your USB port?

Capable of operating independently without any human intervention once launched?

The new generation has completely different capabilities.

Amazon are trialling delivery via drone.
 

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They ate simply tools,

Some will use them for evil, like the US gov,

But others will use them for good,

I was thinking the other day about how great it would be to be able to have your take away delivered by drone, and to use GPS to track its progress on your phone as you wait by the tv licking your lips,

A pizza from the oven to your door in a couple of minutes,
 

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Sorry, I'm not trying to hijack the thread to debate US foreign policy, that's just an example,

I'm actually very interested in the commercial potential of drones,

A domestic drone enabled wit GPS and video could be like a personal helper monkey,

In the future, could we see all manner of local shops, take aways and even off licenses with drone collection bays out the back?

Fly my prettys.....fly.....
 

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Programmable via your USB port?

Capable of operating independently without any human intervention once launched?

The new generation has completely different capabilities.

Amazon are trialling delivery via drone.
They effectively perform the same role. Stick a miniature camera to a toy plane and you have a drone. I'm not in the slightest bit worried about "drones". People are frequently scared of new tedhnology, has been that way since antiquity.
 

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Sorry, I'm not trying to hijack the thread to debate US foreign policy, that's just an example,

I'm actually very interested in the commercial potential of drones,

A domestic drone enabled wit GPS and video could be like a personal helper monkey,

In the future, could we see all manner of local shops, take aways and even off licenses with drone collection bays out the back?

Fly my prettys.....fly.....
If everything is drone enabled there will have to be some sort of, shock, regulations and rules in place. We don't want drones crashing into each other now do we? Some sort of air management system similar to commercial aircraft using airspace will be required.

And don't give me some stock Randian response about the market magically sorting it all out.
 

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If everything is drone enabled there will have to be some sort of, shock, regulations and rules in place. We don't want drones crashing into each other now do we? Some sort of air management system similar to commercial aircraft using airspace will be required.

And don't give me some stock Randian response about the market magically sorting it all out.
Its a fair point, it could get chaotic up there,

But I can imagine ways it could be done without govt regs, eg, proximity detectors,

There would still be accidents, but that's life, I can forsee a fledgling drone insurance industry,

I don't actually think it could be regulated, not that I would want to,
 

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I can predict the return of some old technology to counter the new technology -
 

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In my last job, we had two of them. The first was a DJI Phantom with a GoPro attached we paid around $700 for. The nature of the job meant that there could be trees or power poles down across the roads, so we would fly the drone to perform some recon into places that we're yet to be cleared.

The drone proved so useful to us that we bought a better model with longer flight time, FPV capabilities and the camera was mounted on a gimbal. The drone became an important tool for us.

I sold the business back in the Spring, and Mrs. Ming bought me a drone for my birthday in July. We use it a lot for shooting video as it gives a great perspective. There's no problem with using it as long as the FAA guidelines regarding altitude, proximity to airports, visual contact etc. are followed. Being respectful of others and their privacy is also something I always bear in mind when using it.
 
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They ate simply tools,

Some will use them for evil, like the US gov,

But others will use them for good,

I was thinking the other day about how great it would be to be able to have your take away delivered by drone, and to use GPS to track its progress on your phone as you wait by the tv licking your lips,

A pizza from the oven to your door in a couple of minutes,
Whatever the rights or wrongs about the US use of drones, they are a very directed means of doing the job, and even the worst estimates of civilian deaths are way way lower than conventional methods.

Terrorists may have noted this, and may also wish to turn the technology against their targets.
 

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One of those flights is likely to be Irish as Stobart Air - trading as Aer Lingus Commuter fly ATRs from Southend to Dublin .

Also Aer Lingus fly small airbuses into Heathrow - as do most European airlines.

Clearly given the aircraft types & airports its not another Ryanair scare / horror story - so beloved by the tabloids.
 

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The present generation of UAV's are of no use for direct terrorism. They cannot carry enough weight for a bomb. I think that the subversive use of these things will create a new market for small scale commercial radar and attached counter measures in the future.
 

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I can predict the return of some old technology to counter the new technology -
Or miniature automated SAM battery. It could be set up with a motion tracker and computer the track UFO's. The problem with this being that it will confuse drones with birds.

Whatever the rights or wrongs about the US use of drones, they are a very directed means of doing the job, and even the worst estimates of civilian deaths are way way lower than conventional methods.

Terrorists may have noted this, and may also wish to turn the technology against their targets.
Terrorists of some ilk will certainly eventually use these things. The worst case scenario would be the development of flying bombs.
 

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We had one fly above Cork city recently. The operator took off just below Collins Barracks and even posted footage of the flight on the web. It wasn't intercepted by our AirCorp. Nor were the SAM sites in the barracks activated.
 

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The present generation of UAV's are of no use for direct terrorism. They cannot carry enough weight for a bomb. I think that the subversive use of these things will create a new market for small scale commercial radar and attached counter measures in the future.
There are plenty of them available with payloads over ten kilos. Using Des' example of the flag flying into a stadium, ten kgs of bad things has the potential to do real damage.
 
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