Are we better, worse or just the same after the Frances Fitzgerald "resigning"

HarshBuzz

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And therin lies the nub of the problem...the culture of people in the same departments for years building walls to suit themselves. They should be switched around and moved and made update their skills and not have inhouse appraisals by their own friends. Many in high office really believe they are untouchable. Wonder has Leo the balls to start a DoJ sweep out.
That's a great idea.

Now go into the CS tomorrow and try to implement it. The unions will immediately declare Defcon Three.
 


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It's a start and it's no harm to fire a shot across the bows of those in power all through the State.

It's fair to say that politicians will simply be more careful, but a certain small percentage will baulk at not covering their own ass. So they'll be less inclined to give the nod to dodgy behaviour.

It's all a bit like the modern management systems. A byproduct of all that endless auditing and paperwork is accountability. Enforcing a similar management ethos in the PS higher ranks would basically go a very long way towards cleaning up the state apparatus.
 

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Don't worry more lies, institutionalised corruption and property bubbles will continued to be served up by whatever FG/FF/FG Minority/FF Minority government that exists for the entire remaining lifetime of any body who reads this website.
 

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The government is functioning correctly.

Every time the system fks up, another minister is carted off to pensionland and a tribunal is set up.

See , the system works.

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Claire Daly on Prime time is 100% correct as usual. Nothing will change until there is a total clear out of the old Boys network.
 

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All a big pile of nothingness. Its about time Irish politicians got heated about issues that actually matter. The public will remember this scam.
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Clare Daly: “Garda are involved in the drugs trade in Charlie Flanagan’s constituency” and whistleblowers have informed the minister...let that sink in #rtept
 

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Claire Daly on Prime time is 100% correct as usual. Nothing will change until there is a total clear out of the old Boys network.
Except Claire will never, ever be asked to take responsibility for her actions.

There's a lot to be said for traditional two-party politics, like in the UK. Our micro-parties and Indos actively mitigate against having effective Governments.
 

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Who was the SF dodo on Prime Time? Stuttered his way through his party piece and then held his wisht after that. Quality TD.

Still great to see Pat Rabbite on the telly, we don't see enough of him :lol: I hope he's paying rent to RTE
 

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All a big pile of nothingness. Its about time Irish politicians got heated about issues that actually matter. The public will remember this scam.
Couldn't have put it any better myself!!!

She has resigned of her own volility, on a huge fat pension.. If there was to be actual accountability in this ridiculous saga,
she would have been fired, and thereby not getting a big golden handshake.... Great country surely.. . :roll:
 
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So the dust is settling in Leinster House and the orders for election posters are being cancelled, but is democracy any better or worse now after an opposition groundswell that forced the "resignation" of a senior government figure.

Motions of No Confidence are important tools in our parliamentary democracy and IMHO they occur far too infrequently.

Even when they do - like in the case of Willie O'Dea's less than accurate affidavit - they can be soul destroying when politicians have to line out with effectively perjurers.

How do people feel the last week will impact our democracy in the long run:

A - not at all

B - a good start, make politicians more accountable

C - it'll just make politicians more wary and just better at keeping a lid on things?
Fine Gael are fatally wounded, especially under varadkar because of the resignation.
 

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What about this?

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Clare Daly: “Garda are involved in the drugs trade in Charlie Flanagan’s constituency” and whistleblowers have informed the minister...let that sink in #rtept
If she has solid evidence of this, bring it to GSOC or the policing board or is it just allegations
 

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Except Claire will never, ever be asked to take responsibility for her actions.

There's a lot to be said for traditional two-party politics, like in the UK. Our micro-parties and Indos actively mitigate against having effective Governments.
I always knew you disliked democracy. Good to see you admit it.
 

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Except Claire will never, ever be asked to take responsibility for her actions.

There's a lot to be said for traditional two-party politics, like in the UK. Our micro-parties and Indos actively mitigate against having effective Governments.
They don't mitigate against fxxkin liars lying through their teeth.

Can you not just get your overpaid, underskilled fg mates to try and be honest?
 

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So the dust is settling in Leinster House and the orders for election posters are being cancelled, but is democracy any better or worse now after an opposition groundswell that forced the "resignation" of a senior government figure.

Motions of No Confidence are important tools in our parliamentary democracy and IMHO they occur far too infrequently.

Even when they do - like in the case of Willie O'Dea's less than accurate affidavit - they can be soul destroying when politicians have to line out with effectively perjurers.

How do people feel the last week will impact our democracy in the long run:

A - not at all

B - a good start, make politicians more accountable

C - it'll just make politicians more wary and just better at keeping a lid on things?
C but not for the reason u give up there, that it might lead to a clear out of the corrupt Dept. of Justice
 

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Except Claire will never, ever be asked to take responsibility for her actions.

There's a lot to be said for traditional two-party politics, like in the UK. Our micro-parties and Indos actively mitigate against having effective Governments.
Yeah because they're the problem...

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Former Tánaiste Frances Fitzgerald has been selected by Fine Gael to contest the next general election in Dublin Mid-West tonight.

In a tweet, she said she was honoured to be selected as a candidate for the party in the constituency.

Cllr Emer Higgins was also selected tonight.

Two others - Vicki Casserly and William Lavell - withdrew.
 

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This latest shambles makes it clear that we are paying way over the odds for bad governance from weak governments and out of control govt departments. Ministers resigning and then nothing changing is no longer useful, acceptable nor affordable.
 


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