Are we better, worse or just the same after the Frances Fitzgerald "resigning"

LISTOWEL MAN

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Former Tánaiste Frances Fitzgerald has been selected by Fine Gael to contest the next general election in Dublin Mid-West tonight.

In a tweet, she said she was honoured to be selected as a candidate for the party in the constituency.

Cllr Emer Higgins was also selected tonight.

Two others - Vicki Casserly and William Lavell - withdrew.
law abiding people will vote for her so she lost 13% of ireland
 


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This latest shambles makes it clear that we are paying way over the odds for bad governance from weak governments and out of control govt departments. Ministers resigning and then nothing changing is no longer useful, acceptable nor affordable.
As long as people keep voting for FFG this will continue.
 

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Why does Rabbitte have to lower the tone wherever he goes?
i think he made a fine point about the need for secrecy

Pat knows that better than most, he was in irish politics when SF were working 24 7 twisting the truth to enable the IRA
 

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i think he made a fine point about the need for secrecy

Pat knows that better than most, he was in irish politics when SF were working 24 7 twisting the truth to enable the IRA
Wasn't pat in SF? Pretty sure he was...



Of course, things are never quite what they seem with pat..
 

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Is the Official IRA or the Provisional IRA?

Cos Pat knew a lot about the former trying to overthrow the state for 20 years ;)
 

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I think when somebody who literally should never have been in a ministerial office has left, we are all a bit better off!
 

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Claire Daly on Prime time is 100% correct as usual. Nothing will change until there is a total clear out of the old Boys network.
Have a look at the line up on the TV3 Dinny's lads talk show. Eoghhan, more homelessness every week with my sleeves rolled up, is still defending her. AK looking more darkly evil than usual.
 

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law abiding people will vote for her so she lost 13% of ireland
Some drop all the same, from being favourite to takeover from Enda, to out of the cabinet, career over.
 

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Are we past peak-Frances-Fitzgerald yet?
 

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So the dust is settling in Leinster House and the orders for election posters are being cancelled, but is democracy any better or worse now after an opposition groundswell that forced the "resignation" of a senior government figure.

Motions of No Confidence are important tools in our parliamentary democracy and IMHO they occur far too infrequently.

Even when they do - like in the case of Willie O'Dea's less than accurate affidavit - they can be soul destroying when politicians have to line out with effectively perjurers.

How do people feel the last week will impact our democracy in the long run:

A - not at all

B - a good start, make politicians more accountable

C - it'll just make politicians more wary and just better at keeping a lid on things?
Are we capable of knowing?
 

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Are we past peak-Frances-Fitzgerald yet?
She has probably, during her tenure in office, appointed several 'class acts' to various state boards and quangos to carry on her vision!:mad:
 

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She has probably, during her tenure in office, appointed several 'class acts' to various state boards and quangos to carry on her vision!:mad:
BREAKING: I can confirm that - á la Xi Jinping - the principles of Frances Fitzgerald Thought will be ensrhined in the Little Blue** Book.

**shirt
 

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Has anyone given any thought about what's going to happen when she's cleared?
 

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So the dust is settling in Leinster House and the orders for election posters are being cancelled, but is democracy any better or worse now after an opposition groundswell that forced the "resignation" of a senior government figure.

Motions of No Confidence are important tools in our parliamentary democracy and IMHO they occur far too infrequently.

Even when they do - like in the case of Willie O'Dea's less than accurate affidavit - they can be soul destroying when politicians have to line out with effectively perjurers.

How do people feel the last week will impact our democracy in the long run:

A - not at all

B - a good start, make politicians more accountable

C - it'll just make politicians more wary and just better at keeping a lid on things?
Hero of the hour, MM, a paragon of probity? Don't be ridiculous! The rot in this state has been festering for decades, is it any wonder it's infected Justice. Too many of us accept it and most in the FFGLab status-quo tribe reserve their greatest venom for those who genuinely want to remove the virus. Clare Daly, Ming, When Caoimhin O'Caoileann entered Dail Eireann he was totally ostracised by the 160+ sham protagonists in FFGLab who maintained a jocular repartee among each other in the Dail bar and commend their identikit, sorry rival, on their superb obfuscation to Miriam or Dobbo. Too many of those crying out for a transformation have been blinkered by Section-31 anti-patrotism to realise real change was on offer last year. That dearth of civic-patriotism is also a problem. The 26th County state is a clientelist, me-feiner dreadnought where there is barely regret that emigration returned.

There's plenty of voices on this forum, many have reappeared in the last 5 days, who passionately articulate the need for change but baulk at the SF outsiders. I'm sure most of these were taken in by Labour's rhetoric in 2011 before their ritual cosying-up to the establishment and likewise they were transfixed by Donnelly and the SDs last year. Do you not get fu[kin enraged at being suckered. SF were at one point level with FG in the polls. Tommy o'Brien supposed fount of wisdom on official Ireland felt save in predicting FF would vanish. But he failed to register how much the established order in Ireland treasures the safe symbiosis between FG + FF and about 2014 there began the wholesale, undisguised strategy of rehabilitating FF and vehemently demonising SF with, astonishingly, FG heavyweight Hayes feeling no embarrassment uttering that Irish politics needs a strong FF. You know what expedient, hardnosed corrupt officialdom, similar to any ruthless self-serving elites across the globe in Dublin think of you moralisers. Gormless, gullible, predictable dupes. Next election you'll acquiesce in the charade again when the established order - remnants of the corrupt vichyite counter-revolutionaries who defeated republicanism in 1923 - blast up their message that the stoogess of the army-council is going to destroy our imperfect but cosy state and you'll all gravitate to the Lowryesque charlatan Ak Kelly.
 

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Is the Official IRA or the Provisional IRA?

Cos Pat knew a lot about the former trying to overthrow the state for 20 years ;)
Pat was of the generation in Official Sinn Fein that thankfully weaned the official IRA away from the path of violence and followed the constitutional path. Leading the way for others, of course. There are still a few old stickies left of course, in the workers party. And Provo Sinn Fein, aren't they are the new stickies, following the way of peace.
 

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So the dust is settling in Leinster House and the orders for election posters are being cancelled, but is democracy any better or worse now after an opposition groundswell that forced the "resignation" of a senior government figure.

Motions of No Confidence are important tools in our parliamentary democracy and IMHO they occur far too infrequently.

Even when they do - like in the case of Willie O'Dea's less than accurate affidavit - they can be soul destroying when politicians have to line out with effectively perjurers.

How do people feel the last week will impact our democracy in the long run:

A - not at all

B - a good start, make politicians more accountable

C - it'll just make politicians more wary and just better at keeping a lid on things?
"B"
 


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