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Are we on the road to a Dictatorship?


SKELLY

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of course the above statement is alarmest but i cant see how any right thinking democrat can see it any other way.

The supreme court, the guardians of the constitution, ruled on Thursday that the gov. broke the law.
Yet the gov. ignored the ruling and went ahead with the Referendum.

For the last 30 days all Broadcasting networks had to adhere to the McKenna Judgement.
Yet the gov. themselves ignored it with there biased campaign. They used 1m euro of taxpayers money to advance their
own agenda.
The judgement was dismissed by Shatter and Co. and they ploughed ahead.

Consecutive gov. have eroded the powers and scope of the Referendum commission.
These actions lead directly to last thursdays ruling.

Democracy has been usurped.

Where does this leave us now?
We arent far of a dictatorship imo.

The gulf between the establishment and the people is even wider after this farce.
 


nonpartyboy

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The real danger is the likes of shatter is so arrogant he will try and overturn the Mckenna judgement on some farcical argument about padeos.

I know i often have a cut at the legal profession, but the supreme court has always shown itself to be on the side of the people, unlike the elected politicans on occasion.
For that the judges of the supreme court should be applauded.
 

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I think we are far from being a dictatorship as the demolition of Fianna Fáil at the polls last year demonstrated.

The government should have held its hands up on this occasion though in the interests of democracy following the Supreme Court judgement. I do not think the referendum result would have been any different following a stay for a month to six weeks on the vote but it would in my opinion have actually shown that they had respect for the decision of the nations Supreme Court which is after all the protector of all our civil rights.
 

borntorum

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The real danger is the likes of shatter is so arrogant he will try and overturn the Mckenna judgement on some farcical argument about padeos.

I know i often have a cut at the legal profession, but the supreme court has always shown itself to be on the side of the people, unlike the elected politicans on occasion.
For that the judges of the supreme court should be applauded.
Thank God for our superior courts. I'd much rather trust them to protect our individual rights than politicians of whatever party
 

lying eyes

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The real danger is the likes of shatter is so arrogant he will try and overturn the Mckenna judgement on some farcical argument about padeos.

I know i often have a cut at the legal profession, but the supreme court has always shown itself to be on the side of the people, unlike the elected politicans on occasion.
For that the judges of the supreme court should be applauded.
I agree at least there is one branch of the state that has the interest of the people in mind.
 

Black George

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After the ruling, that fat p!mp Gilmore came on the news and actually told the people to ignore the Supreme Court ruling and go ahead and vote YES. Surely that was tantamount to contempt of court?
 

edg

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of course the above statement is alarmest but i cant see how any right thinking democrat can see it any other way.

The supreme court, the guardians of the constitution, ruled on Thursday that the gov. broke the law.
Yet the gov. ignored the ruling and went ahead with the Referendum.

For the last 30 days all Broadcasting networks had to adhere to the McKenna Judgement.
Yet the gov. themselves ignored it with there biased campaign. They used 1m euro of taxpayers money to advance their
own agenda.
The judgement was dismissed by Shatter and Co. and they ploughed ahead.

Consecutive gov. have eroded the powers and scope of the Referendum commission.
These actions lead directly to last thursdays ruling.

Democracy has been usurped.

Where does this leave us now?
We arent far of a dictatorship imo.

The gulf between the establishment and the people is even wider after this farce.
I agree with your sentiments.

If only 8% of voters were influenced by the referendum commissions biased report on the referendum the No vote would have won.

This is NOT democracy.
 
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What does one call the situation whereby a government who openly flouts constitutional law without repercussions and pursues the citizenry for flouting lesser laws? (HHC, Property Tax etc)
 

Half Nelson

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The real danger is the likes of shatter is so arrogant he will try and overturn the Mckenna judgement on some farcical argument about padeos.

I know i often have a cut at the legal profession, but the supreme court has always shown itself to be on the side of the people, unlike the elected politicans on occasion.
For that the judges of the supreme court should be applauded.
The SC now needs to up its game if it is to continue to command the respect of the people. Simply giving another FG/Lab. govt. yet another smack on the wrist won't cut it this time.
 

rhonda15

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Indeed ... add that to this business of having the populace repeat referendums until they get the 'right ' outcome.

Democracy my ass!



"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." ~ Goethe

 

SKELLY

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The SC now needs to up its game if it is to continue to command the respect of the people. Simply giving another FG/Lab. govt. yet another smack on the wrist won't cut it this time.
all they needed to do was together with themselves, barristers and solicitors, dropped tools and walked out of court.

If the gov. is going to ignore the courts then we cant claim to live in a society governed by the rule of law.
 

edg

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I think we are far from being a dictatorship as the demolition of Fianna Fáil at the polls last year demonstrated.

The government should have held its hands up on this occasion though in the interests of democracy following the Supreme Court judgement. I do not think the referendum result would have been any different following a stay for a month to six weeks on the vote but it would in my opinion have actually shown that they had respect for the decision of the nations Supreme Court which is after all the protector of all our civil rights.
Well if the Referendum Commission in their legally proven Yes bias influenced only 8% of the people to vote Yes, that otherwise would have voted No or not voted at all, a No vote would have won.
 

Half Nelson

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all they needed to do was together with themselves, barristers and solicitors, dropped tools and walked out of court.

If the gov. is going to ignore the courts then we cant claim to live in a society governed by the rule of law.
Oh, they can do much, much more than that.
This judgement could be a watershed moment. It could spell a seismic change in attitudes by showing us who is really the top dog.
 

elliebee

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Indeed ... add that to this business of having the populace repeat referendums until they get the 'right ' outcome.

Democracy my ass!



"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." ~ Goethe

I must admit I have feelings of hopelessness recently regarding the state the country is being lured into by all our politicians. None of them seem to care a jot about Ireland or its people any more. They seem to be completely and utterly focused on being good Europeans, no doubt with a view to landing some plum job in the future. God help us is all I can say.
 
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SKELLY

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Oh, they can do much, much more than that.
This judgement could be a watershed moment. Or it could spell a seismic change in attitudes by showing us who is really the top dog.
how so?
im not really up on my constitutional powers and the power the supreme court has
 

hammer

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One thing I have learned.

If you lose in the High Court make sure you appeal it to the Supreme Court
 

drummed

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Sometimes i wonder if the only way to manage a country with such an excess of stupid people would be a dictatorship. Not referring to anyone on this thread.
Obviously.:)
 
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I read the events of the week as a political system from which power is draining away not one being built up to dictatorship. Getting just 20% of the people to support their amendment was an appalling performance.

If they had the kind of influence they should have as leaders they would never needed to cheat in the referendum and they wouldn't need to be showing disrespect to the Supreme Court all over the media.

I think they are scared stiff. They are meeting sullen anger in their constituencies and they are aware that they have to keep heaping on more straw to the camel's back. I'd imagine those in power wonder what the spark will be and when will the trouble start.
 

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