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It's great to see the Irish playing British Imperialist sports like
Association Football, Rugby, Hockey and Cricket.....:D
 

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It's great to see the Irish playing British Imperialist sports like
Association Football, Rugby, Hockey and Cricket.....:D
Croke was an enthusiastic cricketer, Dev played rugby, Martin McGuinness was a huge fan of cricket and once posed for a photo in full WG Grace garb.
 
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One of the thoughts after this performance is as to KO'B's performance. Has he undersold himself since his WC performance? Since that ton he has operated as a troubadour operating as a hired gun for anyone who would take him as a T20 slogger. There's a tiny whiff of tragedy in the fact that he might all this time have had much deeper potential. There was a player called Alletson who played for Notts some time in the 1910's. He scored a massively destructive 189 in a very short period in one game batting at number 9 and spent the rest of his career trying and failing to emulate that one innings. O'Brian seems to have based his outlook since the innings against England on that massive performance. It seems that there was always an untapped potential there. He showed restraint and control and, above all, technique, in this match.

The performance by the team was magnificent. Well done each and every one of them.
 
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One of the thoughts after this performance is as to KO'B's performance. Has he undersold himself since his WC performance? Since that ton he has operated as a troubadour operating as a hired gun for anyone who would take him as a T20 slogger. There's a tiny whiff of tragedy in the fact that he might all this time have had much deeper potential. There was a player called Alletson who played for Notts some time in the 1910's. He scored a massively destructive 189 in a very short period in one game batting at number 9 and spent the rest of his career trying and failing to emulate that one innings. O'Brian seems to have based his outlook since the innings against England on that massive performance. It seems that there was always an untapped potential there. He showed restraint and control and, above all, technique, in this match.

The performance by the team was magnificent. Well done each and every one of them.
I am very very far from an expert but hasnt the county game been struggling for profile in the last decade and hence , as a player from a non-test nation ( until the weekend) , his primary outlet was on the short form circuit which was both higher profile, higher standard ( the relative merits of the long form aside) and higher reward?
 

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I am very very far from an expert but hasnt the county game been struggling for profile in the last decade and hence , as a player from a non-test nation ( until the weekend) , his primary outlet was on the short form circuit which was both higher profile, higher standard ( the relative merits of the long form aside) and higher reward?
Oh, I'm speaking as a purist. The various T20 competitions overlap and, while lucrative, competition for places is fierce.

The county game, while being allowed (disgracefully) to somewhat wither on the vine, still provides a good living.

The shortest form of the game, to this purist's eye, is not conducive to developing a classical technique. The tactics and strategies don't translate to the longer form. You see this in bowlers "taking the pace off the ball", "bowling "back of a length" etc. They're also severely restricted in the lines that they can bowl, for fear of conceding wides if they wish to bowl towards leg.

This latter means that batsman specialising in that form of the game face completely different (and less demanding) challenges than are present in the longer form of the game. T20 and 50 over formats are very heavily weighted in favour of the batsman. Hell, they even pull the boundaries in to make sixes more frequent.

The game needs rebalancing in that respect. Even technological developments favour the batsman; the new breed of bats are astonishing to use in comparison to the traditional bats. In one of the last matches I played, I borrowed a bat from one our big hitters, and watched in astonishment as a checked drive flew for four. This leads to a different topic. Cricket grounds were laid out and built for a different set of technological standards. It is only a matter of time before serious injury occurs to a spectator. Whatever, every development in the game has been in favour of the batsman. The ball hasn't changed; fielding restrictions are imposed.

All of this has seeped down to the club game. When I started playing, 150 was considered a winning score. Nowadays, 300 is almost a par score. Some of that is technological; some as a result of changes to the regulations, but a lot of it is mindset. It wasn't unusual when opening in a 50 over match to see the full array of slips and a gully. One had to bat carefully. The mindset now is "Hey, that means big gaps in the outfield. I might as well go for them."

This leads to two anecdotes:

The great Gary Sobers was giving a coaching session to emerging talented youngsters in Clontarf CC. One of these youngsters was a lad I captained who went on to play for Ireland. He was insanely talented. In the nets, Sobers told him where the (virtual) fielders were and watched as the young lad played some shots which were not from the coaching manual - pulling the ball from outside off-stump etc. Sobers asked why he was playing such shots only to be told by the batsman that he was hitting the ball to the areas where there no fielders. Sobers' response? "Correct answer", accompanied by a huge grin. That's the new orthodoxy; batsmen are now allowed - indeed expected - to exploit what is available to them even if does not constitute what classical batsmanship was about.

The other story concerns the great batsman Jack Hobbs (he of 190+ first-class centuries). He was approached by a young batsman who had a problem. His own shots, despite his efforts to aim at gaps in the field, kept finding the fielders. How did Hobbs find the gaps so easily? "That's simple", said Hobbs, "I aim my shots at the fielders and I'm not quite good enough to hit my target".

I guess I'm speaking as a classicist. In O'Brien's shoes I'd be regretful at not exploiting the talent he so clearly has in the longer form, but that choice is his and it might have compromised other opportunities for him.
 

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Indeed a day to be welcomed in Irish Sport..........unfortunately our climate isn't the best for hosting test cricket over 5 days.

Went to Clontarf in 1999 to watch West Indies beat Bangladesh in the one day World Cup. A mismatch, but still a great day out.

No greater viewing than watch India and Pakistan go head to head in a one day or 20/20 match ! I remember the day the Indian fans threw the snakes onto the pitch at the Pakistani outfielder on the boundary.....flares and pigs heads my arse !!!!!

And a sport that was dying on its feet 20 years ago has had the balls to re-invent itself for the tv and the masses............
I think you'll find we have the best climate in the world for cricket.

Wickets!
 

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England soundly trounced by Pakistan...won by 9 wickets.
 

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England to face Ireland in four-day Lord’s Test in 2019

Interesting one - if it happens!

A four day Lords test - with an extra 8 overs bowled per day - that will have full test status. "Four-day Tests were given the green light by the International Cricket Council last year before South Africa and Zimbabwe contested the first since 1973 in December."

Will Ed Joyce now re-consider his decision to retire!

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jun/02/england-to-face-ireland-in-four-day-lords-test-in-2019
 


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