Arlene Foster says SF voters are switching to DUP over abortion.



Marcella

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So yesterday Westminster voted to extend gay marriage to the north in the event that Stormont is not set up by October. The DUP’s long war against gay marriage is about to be lost.

An Abortion amendment also got passed but it’s a lot less clear on outcome given the vagueness of the amendment and legal complexities involved.
 

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Northern Ireland will have a more liberal abortion regime in 21 days.

Meanwhile the English equivalent of SPUC/youth Defence, in their wisdom, in this day and age managed a spectacular own goal. Deliberately targeting American style posters at Stella Creasy, who is well on in her pregnancy. You have to hand it to those people empathetic with pregnant women and their personal choices.


One day those folks want to cop on that American style aggressive behaviour is going to backfire.

I’m sure the DUP who are passionately anti abortion will do what it tajkes to reopen Stormont to block the most liberal of abortion regimes. Watch this space. Or maybe aborted babies don’t matter.
 

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So yesterday Westminster voted to extend gay marriage to the north in the event that Stormont is not set up by October. The DUP’s long war against gay marriage is about to be lost.

An Abortion amendment also got passed but it’s a lot less clear on outcome given the vagueness of the amendment and legal complexities involved.
Just spotted this. The abortion amendment is not very vague. It is pretty clear that unless an Executive is formed, from 22 October abortion will be decriminalised in Northern Ireland. The UK Government will then have to introduce a regime by March which matches the CEDAW report recommendations. Basically, it must allow for abortion in cases of rape, incest, fatal foetal abnormality or risk to the health or life of the mother.

The threat to health covers both mental and physical health, and need not be lasting or substantial harm.

There is also no practical way to vindicate the ability for a victim of rape or incest to obtain an abortion without also extending at least some short window for all women to secure a termination - there is no foolproof way of distinguishing pregnancies that result from rape and incest from those that do not.

So in practice, the regime that must be introduced will not be entirely dissimilar to the Irish regime I would expect - a short period for termination without needing to give or prove any grounds, followed by a further period for termination on specific grounds (e.g. threat to health) and then probably a final period of time for termination only on very restrictive grounds e.g. FFA etc.
 

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So yesterday Westminster voted to extend gay marriage to the north in the event that Stormont is not set up by October. The DUP’s long war against gay marriage is about to be lost.

An Abortion amendment also got passed but it’s a lot less clear on outcome given the vagueness of the amendment and legal complexities involved.
Really, odd then that the BBC said yesterday we will the scenario where the North will have a more liberal abortion regime than the South. And just last week all the churches came together to encourage the return of Stormont. Just to stop abortion. They didn’t say anything about gay rights which I found odd. That horse has clearly bolted.

Times have moved on and the DUP know they’ve lost both those battles. In any case they're too busy with more important matters like how to destroy their union.
 

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Abortion is wrong, period.
Irrelevant to the discussion, which is that right or wrong and like it or not, as of 22 October it will be decriminalised in Northern Ireland because the DUP couldn't stomach an Irish Language Act.
 

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Court ruling on NI abortions laws, they breach human rights



Northern Ireland’s strict abortion laws breach the UK’s human rights commitments, the High Court in Belfast has ruled.
Something tells me the loo lahs won't accept this ruling.

Abortion is wrong, period.
Sorry fruitcake, but your opinion is a minority view.
 

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Abortion is an abomination.
 

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Theres just no way an agreement could be hammered out between the parties with all the little details agreed and get the executive running in the 17 days before both abortion and gay marriage are legalised in N.I.
 

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Something tells me the loo lahs won't accept this ruling.
That's pretty much academic now anyway, because the DUP think a certain minority language is a more horrendous abomination than abortion. :D
 

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That's pretty much academic now anyway, because the DUP think a certain minority language is a more horrendous abomination than abortion. :D

All unionist politicians in the six counties appear to take that line, something I found alarming which makes a return to devolution seem even more distant.
 

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In an interview with Sky News, Arlene Foster is claiming that some Sinn Féin supporters have emailed her to tell her they will switch their vote to the DUP because of her party's position on abortion.

Clearly, the ganja up North is of exceptional quality.
Doesn't seem very likely that anyone would actually email her to tell her they were going to vote for her even in the unlikely event that they were thinking that way, she's full of what bulls make.
 


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