Artificial shortage of secondary teachers undermining education quality

Patslatt1

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Newstalk's Ciara Kelly interviewed several people about the alleged secondary teacher shortage. One person mentioned the usual trade union whinge about pay. Another contradicted that by pointing to the massive amount of time off with a required attendance of 157 days a year and the fact that teachers' pensions represent the equivalent of one third of salary. A school principal said it was very difficult to manage the comings and goings of teachers in the short school year because customarily they can take career breaks on short notice.

One immediate remedy would be to reverse the two academic year training period introduced by former minister of education Rory Quinn. This increase from one to two years was a politically motivated concession to the teachers unions designed to increase pay by creating an artificial teacher shortage. International educational research can find no evidence that extending teacher training results in better education outcomes for students.
 
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So cut standards to keep staff?

Thanks as always Pa.
 

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Newstalk's Ciara Kelly interviewed several people about the alleged secondary teacher shortage. One person mentioned the usual trade union whinge about pay. Another contradicted that by pointing to the massive amount of time off with a required attendance of 157 days a year and the fact that teachers' pensions represent the equivalent of one third of salary. A school principal said it was very difficult to manage the comings and goings of teachers in the short school year because customarily they can take career breaks on short notice.

One immediate remedy would be to reverse the two academic year training period introduced by former minister of education Rory Quinn. This increase from one to two years was a politically motivated concession to the teachers unions designed to increase pay by creating an artificial teacher shortage. International educational research can find to evidence that extending teacher training results in better education outcomes for students.
Any evidence on how many teachers would reappear if your proposal were followed?
 

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I'm all for unannounced visits by the School Inspectorate. Give the School Inspectorate more resources!
 

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Sign of the times that so many of the 'untouchable' careers of old are now seeing the true cost of lack of foresight, union greed and I'm all right jack policies. I mean it is a job that you actually can or cannot do. Like so much of our decades old ways of doing things teaching needs to change, shorten the day, shorten the holidays and get a balance for all involved.

I mean you can do online degrees, study online from any college anywhere in the world. Change is coming and it should be embraced. That is what education is about. Drop the Irish and religion and teach them how to change a lightbulb and set up a business.

Three months holiday in the summer....are they for real. In this day and age.
 

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Some teachers have their hours timetabled across 4 days.

Nice work if you can get it.
 

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So you think kids shouldn't have summer holidays?
 

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If a person wants to teach maths or geography, then not having Irish shouldn't be a block to becoming a teacher.
 

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There are a lot of teachers timetabled in subject areas for which they have no qualifications.
 

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As Golden Phoenix rightly pointed out, it's teachers unions, so in other words, teachers.
You realise you're only argument now is semantics ?
Kids get long summer holidays. Always have. Blaming theunions for international practice is nincompoopery
 

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Newstalk's Ciara Kelly interviewed several people about the alleged secondary teacher shortage. One person mentioned the usual trade union whinge about pay. Another contradicted that by pointing to the massive amount of time off with a required attendance of 157 days a year and the fact that teachers' pensions represent the equivalent of one third of salary. A school principal said it was very difficult to manage the comings and goings of teachers in the short school year because customarily they can take career breaks on short notice.

One immediate remedy would be to reverse the two academic year training period introduced by former minister of education Rory Quinn. This increase from one to two years was a politically motivated concession to the teachers unions designed to increase pay by creating an artificial teacher shortage. International educational research can find to evidence that extending teacher training results in better education outcomes for students.
Patslatt - back bashing teachers.

Of course his entire whinge is nonsense - teachers unions opposed moving the training programme to two years - the purpose was to cut the number of teachers qualifying because there was a large number of unemployed teachers - and it was a one off with a one year drop in the number of teaching graduates.

As for a shortage of teachers - that is directly the result of pay inequality - new qualified teachers are laving the country because they can get full-time jobs with better pay and conditions in other countries.
 

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Some teachers have their hours timetabled across 4 days.

Nice work if you can get it.
There is no full-time teacher in the country who is timetabled to work four days a week. There are many part-time teachers with a handful of hours who have to travel to the school on some days to teach a single class.
 

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There is no full-time teacher in the country who is timetabled to work four days a week. There are many part-time teachers with a handful of hours who have to travel to the school on some days to teach a single class.
Actually, there are numerous full-time teachers who only work 4 days a week. I know them personally!

Full-time teachers are required to have class contact of 22 hours a week and often this can be timetabled for 4 days.
 


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