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Asylum seekers cost P-PARS times 2+ EVERY YEAR


TheOmbudsman

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Was it last year or the one before that the Govt said the annual cost of dealing with asylum seekers was of the order of €350 million a year?

There's never any outrage from politicians about this expenditure though.

And this figure doesn't take into account the costs of trials like the one we've just had in Waterford or the numerous other criminal trials not to mention crimes committed by Asylum-seekers and ex-asylum seekers.
 

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What does that title even mean?
 

TheOmbudsman

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TheBear said:
What does that title even mean?
I'm sure you'll get it eventually, (tip: sometimes it helps to leave a problem and come back to it later).
 

TheBear

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TheOmbudsman said:
TheBear said:
What does that title even mean?
I'm sure you'll get it eventually, (tip: sometimes it helps to leave a problem and come back to it later).
Yeah, I just didn't know what that payroll thingy was. But then again, I am just a girl, so... *titter*
 

TheOmbudsman

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TheBear said:
But then again, I am just a girl, so... *titter*
What's that got to do with it?
Plenty of girls read the papers, I've seen 'em! :x
 

TheBear

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TheOmbudsman said:
TheBear said:
But then again, I am just a girl, so... *titter*
What's that got to do with it?
Plenty of girls read the papers, I've seen 'em! :x
Oh, it's just my stock excuse for not knowing stuff. But seeing as you're a new poster, I wouldn't expect you to know that kind of thing...
 

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TheOmbudsman said:
There's never any outrage from politicians about this expenditure though
You pathetic little sadcase. Its drivel like this that deflects attention from the real cause of the waste, and allow FF to get away with it.

The budget for dealing with asylum seekers is:
1) Perfectly justifiable spending on those who are entitled to asylum
2) A necessary expenditure on dealing with those who have no rights to asylum, and deporting them if necessary
(and everything in between)
That 350 million is not being "wasted" (in the same sense as the computers at any rate - i'm not lauding McDowell's asylum initiatives, but...)

The PPRS money was PISSED DOWN THE DRAIN.

Are you telling me you don't see the difference?
 

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TheOmbudsman said:
Was it last year or the one before that the Govt said the annual cost of dealing with asylum seekers was of the order of €350 million a year?

There's never any outrage from politicians about this expenditure though.


So what would you suggest we do instead???


Let's see now -

Option number 1 ) Turn all the greasy foreign b*stards away at the ports, even as they make their initial asylum application

Advantages - cheap, simple, and appeals to the racist vote.

Disadvantages - completely illegal, what with us being signatories to several international treaties on asylum.


Option number 2) Allow them to wait in the country while their application is processed, but employ far fewer people in the relevant departments, thus meaning they're here a lot longer before they get a decision.

Advantages - slight reduction in costs in the Dept of Justice.

Disadvantages - increase in cost of keeping them here while they wait for their verdict.


Option number 3) Reduce their weekly entitlement.

Advantages - saves money.

Disadvantages - you can't go down very far from 19 Euro a week.



Option number 4) Have a system whereby asylum requests are considered, while seekers wait in fairly basic, rudimentary, but humane accomodation, are provided with basic meals, but aren't allowed to join the workforce.


wait a second, isn't that what we're already doing???
 

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hiding behind a poster said:
Option number 1 ) Turn all the greasy foreign b*stards away at the ports, even as they make their initial asylum application

Advantages - cheap, simple, and appeals to the racist vote.

Disadvantages - completely illegal, what with us being signatories to several international treaties on asylum.
I wouldn't turn everyone away, only those who failed the on-the-spot interview, and an on-the-spot appeal, if they exercised their right to an ots appeal.
The interview and appeal would be conducted by different officials (who , incidentally :x , would be regularly given refresher courses and tests to make sure they weren't racist/racialists.
Applications from individuals from countries with no direct transport links to this country would be very likely to fail on-the-spot and the applicant deported.
The rest I'd house in a secure centre while their applications were decided in a no-nonsense and above all else speedy manner. Cos the delays are depressing for the applicants apparently.





hiding behind a poster said:
Option number 2) Allow them to wait in the country while their application is processed, but employ far fewer people in the relevant departments, thus meaning they're here a lot longer before they get a decision.

Advantages - slight reduction in costs in the Dept of Justice.

Disadvantages - increase in cost of keeping them here while they wait for their verdict.
See answer above, (it's in bold type)



hiding behind a poster said:
Option number 3) Reduce their weekly entitlement.

Advantages - saves money.

Disadvantages - you can't go down very far from 19 Euro a week.
see answer above,, (it's in bold type)
(anyway you'll find that their pocket money is only a fraction of what they receive and an even tinier fraction of what they cost, honest!)


hiding behind a poster said:
Option number 4) Have a system whereby asylum requests are considered, while seekers wait in fairly basic, rudimentary, but humane accomodation, are provided with basic meals, but aren't allowed to join the workforce.


wait a second, isn't that what we're already doing???
see answer above, (it's in bold type)
 

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TheOmbudsman said:
Was it last year or the one before that the Govt said the annual cost of dealing with asylum seekers was of the order of €350 million a year?

There's never any outrage from politicians about this expenditure though.

And this figure doesn't take into account the costs of trials like the one we've just had in Waterford or the numerous other criminal trials not to mention crimes committed by Asylum-seekers and ex-asylum seekers.
Several posters here ( and many , many more in the real world!) are convinced from empirical evidence and day-to-day observation in “ethnically enriched” areas that the system is a lot more generous and liberal than the general public are officially led to believe - or at best, that it many turn a blind eye to systematic abuse of the asylum system.

The only way for there to be full confidence in the asylum system is for it to thrown open to full public scrutiny.

This unfortunately isn’t going to happen this side of a major shouting match both the general rag bag of self-fancying, , unrepresentative soapdodgers who attach themselves to their ‘cause’ and (much more difficult), with the powerful vested interests in the asylum industry .
 

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Obviously the heavily-loaded irony in my last post went sailing over Ombudsman's head.....
 

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A row in a pub

Three guys were drinking in a pub in Mulhuddart co.Dublin,an Irishman,a Rumanian,and a Nigerian. The Rumanian finishes his drink and throws the glass in the air,pulls a gun from his pocket and blows it to pieces-shouting aloud-"we have so many glass factories in Rumania, that we never drink from the same glass twice!"
The Nigerian,-not to be outdone-finishes his drink,throws the glass in the air and pulls a gun from his pocket,blows it to pieces shouting,"we have so much sand in Nigeria(to make the glass) that we never drink from the same glass twice.!
The Irishman finally finishes his pint.tosses his glass in the air,and pulls a gun out of his pocket and shoots the Rumanian and the Nigerian dead.!
He cries aloud; "We have so many F***ing foreigners in Ireland that we never drink with the same pair twice.!"
And besides Fianna Failers are making a fortune out of the the business.

Here in Gran Canaria (where I live) nobody gives them rent allowance etc. They sleep in the public parks until they are moved to Madrid where the central government deals with them-back to where they came from.
Its a tough shit world-but once you allow unfortunates from misbegotten, misruled failed African states to flow freely into similiar (irish)misruled banana republics, its a recipe for disaster.
 
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Catalpa said:
Your right mate it's a bloody scandal.

I see Spain is now forcibly deporting immigrants who have entered without prior permission after recently going over the wire at her two north African enclaves.

If one EU State can do this why not another? :D

See link:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/1009/melilla.html
catalpa darlin' i'm really beginning to worry about you.

you cannot turn ASYLUM SEEKERS before they have made their claim.

MIGRANTS who have entered a country illegal can, yes, CAN be deported.

you keep going on about how you understand the difference in the two terms then you come out with a statement like the above :roll:

old alzheimers setting in??
 

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Re: A row in a pub

untouchable said:
Three guys were drinking in a pub in Mulhuddart co.Dublin,an Irishman,a Rumanian,and a Nigerian. The Rumanian finishes his drink and throws the glass in the air,pulls a gun from his pocket and blows it to pieces-shouting aloud-"we have so many glass factories in Rumania, that we never drink from the same glass twice!"
The Nigerian,-not to be outdone-finishes his drink,throws the glass in the air and pulls a gun from his pocket,blows it to pieces shouting,"we have so much sand in Nigeria(to make the glass) that we never drink from the same glass twice.!
The Irishman finally finishes his pint.tosses his glass in the air,and pulls a gun out of his pocket and shoots the Rumanian and the Nigerian dead.!
He cries aloud; "We have so many F***ing foreigners in Ireland that we never drink with the same pair twice.!"
Wow. You know, I wouldn't have thought it possible to have any more contempt for a tax-dodging, politically illiterate Internet troll but...wow.

untouchable said:
Here in Gran Canaria (where I live)
Which makes you a...what, kids?

untouchable said:
Its a tough s*** world-but once you allow unfortunates from misbegotten, misruled failed African states to flow freely into similiar (irish)misruled banana republics, its a recipe for disaster.
1. Them blacks, eh? :roll:
2. Ireland is ruled just as badly as most of Africa? See my first comment above.
 

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Your right mate it's a bloody scandal.

I see Spain is now forcibly deporting immigrants who have entered without prior permission after recently going over the wire at her two north African enclaves.

If one EU State can do this why not another? :D

See link:

Spain to expel Moroccon migrants - RT News
Jeez, Catalpa, almost six years ago and you are still banging on without any change about this stuff?

Haven't you realised by now that the old ways are gone, for ever.

Inclusion is the new paradigm!
 

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So what would you suggest we do instead???


Let's see now -

Option number 1 ) Turn all the greasy foreign b*stards away at the ports, even as they make their initial asylum application

Advantages - cheap, simple, and appeals to the racist vote.

Disadvantages - completely illegal, what with us being signatories to several international treaties on asylum.


Option number 2) Allow them to wait in the country while their application is processed, but employ far fewer people in the relevant departments, thus meaning they're here a lot longer before they get a decision.

Advantages - slight reduction in costs in the Dept of Justice.

Disadvantages - increase in cost of keeping them here while they wait for their verdict.


Option number 3) Reduce their weekly entitlement.

Advantages - saves money.

Disadvantages - you can't go down very far from 19 Euro a week.



Option number 4) Have a system whereby asylum requests are considered, while seekers wait in fairly basic, rudimentary, but humane accomodation, are provided with basic meals, but aren't allowed to join the workforce.


wait a second, isn't that what we're already doing???
Some good points but if we allowed genuine Asylum Seekers to work, it would not only bring in tax revenue, it would also combat the cycle of unemployment among refugees. Not a popular option but considering that genuine asylum seekers will become permanent members of society, it is not beneficial to keep them in a cycle of unemployment by direct provision.
 

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Haven't you realised by now that the old ways are gone, for ever.
At last, we have some agreement on this site! You are exactly correct; the old ways are gone. The last 20 years of open borders across the western world, just came to a shuddering halt. From bankrupt California, to bankrupt Spain, to bankrupt Greece, the music has stopped. For so many years, proponents of immigration controls, like yours truly, knew we were on the wrong side of the economic machine. We were derided for standing in the way of "progress." Well, times they are a changin'. And now events, dear boy, events, are very much on our side.
 
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Some good points but if we allowed genuine Asylum Seekers to work, it would not only bring in tax revenue, it would also combat the cycle of unemployment among refugees. Not a popular option but considering that genuine asylum seekers will become permanent members of society, it is not beneficial to keep them in a cycle of unemployment by direct provision.

what cycle of unemployment though?

as i understand it, recent migrants are far more likely than the population at large to set up a small business; it kind of stands to reason that if you have the wits and initiative to flee a murderous regime on the other side of the planet that you'd probably have more than the requisite amount of cop-on to thrive in a healthy society; in the same way that Ireland exports anybody with enough drive and initiative to go make it somewhere overseas instead of sitting at home rotting away on the dole or stymied due to a lack of the connections one needs to make a decent fist of things in the Irish caste system.
 

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Three guys were drinking in a pub in Mulhuddart co.Dublin,an Irishman,a Rumanian,and a Nigerian. The Rumanian finishes his drink and throws the glass in the air,pulls a gun from his pocket and blows it to pieces-shouting aloud-"we have so many glass factories in Rumania, that we never drink from the same glass twice!"
The Nigerian,-not to be outdone-finishes his drink,throws the glass in the air and pulls a gun from his pocket,blows it to pieces shouting,"we have so much sand in Nigeria(to make the glass) that we never drink from the same glass twice.!
The Irishman finally finishes his pint.tosses his glass in the air,and pulls a gun out of his pocket and shoots the Rumanian and the Nigerian dead.!
He cries aloud; "We have so many F***ing foreigners in Ireland that we never drink with the same pair twice.!"
And besides Fianna Failers are making a fortune out of the the business.
A joke about the Irish and their love of drink and violence?

I guess you see a lot of it in Gran Canaria. It tends to attract the worst type of skangers from this country.
 
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