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Asylum seekers in Ireland in 2013


DJP

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The way asylum seekers get treated in Ireland is disgraceful.

They only get €19.10 a week! The children get less. They are kept in direct provision i.e. marginalised for several years before a decision on whether to grant them citizenship is made.

While I accept the argument that if they were to get the full standard welfare rate as asylum seekers that this would entice many more to come here I still think that they should still be getting a lot more than €19.10 a week. A more humane welfare rate should come in which at the same time wouldn't be the full welfare rate. Is this being looked at?

We have less than 5,000 asylum seekers in Ireland. Their asylum process should be quickened to less than a year. All those who are escaping persecution should be allowed stay. OF COURSE for the simple minded of you we cannot let in tens of thousands of them in a few short years, and in the event of letting in many more a debate would be had on a quota every year. But as of now we only have less than 5,000. The cost to give them a decent allowance would be very small. So what if we had 10,000 in a few years in the event of them getting a fairer allowance? The asylum process is strict- it does take years- only the families and individuals who are genuine will get in generally.

Inhumane asylum-seeker system needs radical reform - Social Affairs & News from Ireland & Abroad | The Irish Times - Sat, Mar 23, 2013

Right to attend college urged for asylum-seekers aged over 18 - Social Affairs & News from Ireland & Abroad | The Irish Times - Thu, Apr 04, 2013

Postscript: 7th April 2013

On account of the the information gained from this thread- I was a virgin on the issue when starting it- despite the extremism on it mostly (to date) by the poster 'Dublin 4' I found out that around 90% of people applying are not genuine. I think that those who are deemed early on to be genuine (and this should not take long) should get full welfare benefits and be allowed seek work (obviously losing their welfare benefits or most of them when they get a job) and that the process of them getting citizenship should only take a few months. I also think that as part of the new asylum system to be brought in across the EU that there should be a quota of refugees allowed into every country in the EU and that, presuming as happens now in Ireland few get in every year, that the State should invite refugees at UNHCR refugee camps to the country. Again with a quota.
 
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In the distance, he could hear the faint sounds of knuckles dragging on floor as the Neanderthals rose from their slumber ...........
 

drummed

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In the distance, he could hear the faint sounds of knuckles dragging on floor as the Neanderthals rose from their slumber ...........
Sadly true. This will bring all the vampires out:-(
 

Dublin 4

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The Immigration & Asylum Threads are great for a punch up alright.

Thanks for the OP Darren.

The Economy Forum for all us civilised posters but you mutthafukkahs are great for us spectating - Rock n Roll away there guys!

 

Ren84

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We should allow all immigrants currently going through the asylum process the chance to work, pay taxes, live in proper homes and contribute to society. They aren't allowed do this at present, instead suffer having to live in that kip Mosney.
 

Dublin 4

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We should allow all immigrants currently going through the asylum process the chance to work, pay taxes, live in proper homes and contribute to society.
Like the non Irish that SF/IRA shot in the back of the head?

What happened to SF/IRA's "Greening of the West" Ren- is it just Greening of the North West now?



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SirTallaghtban

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We should allow all immigrants currently going through the asylum process the chance to work, pay taxes, live in proper homes and contribute to society. They aren't allowed do this at present, instead suffer having to live in that kip Mosney.
90 per cent of them are bogus. Their claims are unfounded. The reason they are still here is because the appeal each rejection in an attempt to exhaust the process. Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service Statement by the Minister regarding the Real Facts about the Asylum and Deportation Systems
 

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The whole asylum seeker scam should be closed down and these people sent home IMO

Clearly the vast vast majority are not genuine 'Asylum Seekers'

BTW the numbers in all in paid accommodation are just a fraction of the numbers living here who came as Asylum Seekers...

No surprise either that these reports surface in the Irish Times either....
 

johnny365

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We should allow all immigrants currently going through the asylum process the chance to work, pay taxes, live in proper homes and contribute to society. They aren't allowed do this at present, instead suffer having to live in that kip Mosney.
If they were allowed do this is their not the danger that bogus asylum seekrs would go missing before their application is processed?
 

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The whole asylum seeker scam should be closed down and these people sent home IMO

Clearly the vast vast majority are not genuine 'Asylum Seekers'
BTW the numbers in all in paid accommodation are just a fraction of the numbers living here who came as Asylum Seekers...

No surprise either that these reports surface in the Irish Times either....
So you came to this conclusion how?
 

SirTallaghtban

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The whole asylum seeker scam should be closed down and these people sent home IMO

Clearly the vast vast majority are not genuine 'Asylum Seekers'

BTW the numbers in all in paid accommodation are just a fraction of the numbers living here who came as Asylum Seekers...

No surprise either that these reports surface in the Irish Times either....
We received circa 100, 000 of asylum seekers throughout the boom, ninety per cent of whom, were bogus. Very few were ever repatriated. Shatters been busy lashing out citizenship at them since he took office.

Fair play to them, they ran rings around our lads in immigration.
 

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Here is a shocking stat. Very recent, back in 2012.

"TWO-THIRDS of failed asylum seekers investigated so far this year under a new agreement with the UK were found to be involved in identity swapping, the Irish Independent has learnt"


http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=asylum seekers scam ireland&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDkQFjAC&url=http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/twothirds-of-failed-asylum-seekers-had-used-false-identities-26855916.html&ei=6khfUeniFIbChAf-4IG4Cg&usg=AFQjCNGCwdZ9jJLDJ4nZ7bOT4A50fSRBAA
 

drummed

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Here is a shocking stat. Very recent, back in 2012.

"TWO-THIRDS of failed asylum seekers investigated so far this year under a new agreement with the UK were found to be involved in identity swapping, the Irish Independent has learnt"


http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=asylum seekers scam ireland&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CDkQFjAC&url=http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/twothirds-of-failed-asylum-seekers-had-used-false-identities-26855916.html&ei=6khfUeniFIbChAf-4IG4Cg&usg=AFQjCNGCwdZ9jJLDJ4nZ7bOT4A50fSRBAA
They are'nt very good at it so if a newspaper copped them:confused:
 

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An analysis of claims from those seeking protection who have been processed under the accelerated procedure and who have been found not to be in need of protection illustrate a significant number of common grounds such as:

Many cite fears of persecution from a secret cult as the basis of their claims.

Other reasons for seeking asylum which were cited include:

Fear of local tribal customs as the first born son of a royal family;

Fear of village elders arising from requirement to replace grandmother as head of the village;

Successor to be king after father's death;

Heir to father's throne;

Treated as a domestic servant by his mother's friends;

Sacrifice of first born child;

Fears persecution as he lost money which belonged to his boss

Fear that a former employer may kill her and place body parts around his house;

Fear of persecution for failing to bring home the bodies of deceased family members killed in a fire;

Male members of tribe carry out ritual sacrifices of children.

Destruction and Concealment of Identity and Travel Documents

Section 11B of the Refugee Act 1996 requires the RAC and the RAT, as the case may be to have regard to a broad range of criteria in assessing the credibility of an application.

These include:

accounts of identity documents including loss and destruction,

travel history to the State,

failure to seek protection in the first safe country

For instance, some 88% of the 1174 Nigerian nationals without documents stated to ORAC that they travelled by air at some stage in their journey. Large numbers of other nationals are also arriving without travel documents but indicate to ORAC that they travelled by air: Romania 40%; DR Congo 100%; Ukraine 42%; Moldova 33%.

It is almost impossible, for instance, for Nigerians to travel to Europe by air without such documents. There are no direct scheduled air flights between Ireland and Nigeria.

The inescapable conclusion is that destruction and concealment of travel documents is a central feature of a well developed trafficking strategy.
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/PR07000171

Now Darren you are not stupid

- so what is your game here?:?
 

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