At last, an Honest Broker on Climate Change: Pope Francis I

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Mods can you merge this thread with the main climate change thread.

It is now nothing but a vehicle for paid poster spammer owedtojoy/sircharles to disseminate his propoganda.
 


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Pope's visit to US may worsen Republican Party's problem with Hispanic voters

That survey talked about "American Catholics", but within that demographic is a very important political grouping: Hispanics.

Given this is the first modern Hispanic Pope, this visit will have a major impact on Hispanics. To the fury (no doubt) of Donald Trump and Sarah Palin, Pope Francis will give only 4 speeches in English, compared to 14 in Spanish.

Pope's visit to US may worsen Republican Party's problem with Hispanic voters | Christian News on Christian Today
 
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Next Thursday, the Pope will visit the World Headquarters of Climate Change Denial - the US Houses of Congress where the Republican Party is more or less the creature of its major plutocratic donors.

It should be an interesting occasion.

Where is Pope Francis? A schedule of his U.S. visit

Thursday, Sept. 24

10 a.m. — The Senate and House welcome the pope in a joint session. He will make the first-ever address to Congress, which will broadcast live on the Capitol's West Front. This speech will be one of four he will hold in English. The remaining 14 speeches on his U.S. trip will be in his native Spanish.

11 a.m. — He makes a stop on the Capitol's West Front, which overlooks the National Mall.

Pope Francis' popemobile is Jeep Wrangler for U.S. visit


11:15 a.m. — St. Patrick's Catholic Church and Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese host Pope Francis. Only 60 parishioners culled from a lottery of church volunteers and about 250 clients and volunteers from Catholic Charities will be allowed in during the visit. Catholic Charities St. Maria’s Meals, which offers three weekly food programs in the Washington area, plans to have 55 tables set up for the poor and homeless to be served lunch as the pope blesses the food and walks through.
 
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So popcorn time next Thursday :)
 

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Pope Francis shows no sign of palliating or sugar-coating his message in the US:

"I would like all men and women of good will in this great nation to support the efforts of the international community to protect the vulnerable in our world and to stimulate integral and inclusive models of development," Francis said.

Video of his remarks here

Pope Francis gets political in Washington debut - CNNPolitics.com
 

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Pope Francis shows no sign of palliating or sugar-coating his message in the US:

"I would like all men and women of good will in this great nation to support the efforts of the international community to protect the vulnerable in our world and to stimulate integral and inclusive models of development," Francis said.

Video of his remarks here

Pope Francis gets political in Washington debut - CNNPolitics.com


Climate Alarmism. Not a religion.

Yeah.... sure....
 

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Shep Smith is one Fox News presenter I like.

Years ago he had the courage to speak out against torture of suspects by the US, while his colleagues were aping Kiefer Sutherland on 24.

Recently, he called a spade a spade by indicting climate change deniers.

Once again, he bucks a trend by attacking Pope Francis' critics.

Fox News anchor Shepard Smith has three words for those who complain that Pope Francis' stance on issues such as immigration and climate change is getting political: "Consult a mirror."

During the network's coverage of the pope's arrival in Washington on Wednesday, Smith tore into the pontiff's critics, saying "we are in a weird place in the world" when these issues are considered political.

In a clip posted online by Media Matters, Smith seemed baffled by the complaints:

These are the five things that were on his and our president’s agenda: Caring for the marginalized and the poor -- that’s now political. Advancing economic opportunity for all. Political? Serving as good stewards of the environment. Protecting religious minorities and promoting religious freedom globally. Welcoming and integrating immigrants and refugees globally. And that’s political?


Shepard Smith Rips Into Critics Who Claim Pope Francis Is 'Political'

Smith is right: why are not issues like these part of a bi-partisan consensus?
 

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The pope, by definition, is a liar. He says he and other priests can turn wine into blood, he then invents magic acts by people that he wants to make a saint.

Only the gullible trust any pope.
 

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Several people have tried in the past to be honest brokers between climate science, emissions policy makers and deniers of human caused global warming.

All have failed, and ended up being seen as divisive and partisan, accused of being either a fossil fuel shill, or a "watermelon" (green on the outside, red on the inside).

No one has gained the public trust 100%, though majorities in all countries that have polling accept that

  • the planet is indeed warming up
  • the warming is mainly caused by emissions of greenhouse gases from combustion of fossil fuel like coal and oil.
  • there is a need to limit emissions, and ultimately reduce drastically the amount of carbon combustion in the global economy.

Now, an apolitical non-scientist is about to enter the fray: Pope Francis I is about to make a morally authoritative statement on climate change, pointing out that it hurts the poor and needy most of all. Advised by a core group of top world scientists, the Pope's Encyclical will embrace the work of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change, and call on policy-makers to seriously take further steps to limit carbon emissions.

Recently, the G7 talked about a de-carbonised world, and this is another significant call in the year of a critical conference to decide emissions limitation.

Pope to urge swift action on global warming - BBC News

IPCC - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

Stalin once asked "How many divisions has the Pope?". The Papacy has no military divisions, only moral authority. Will the words of Pope Francis shift the log jam, and accelerate the ending of dependence on fossil fuels? Will future historians see this Pope's role in climate politics as we see Pope John Paul's role in ending the Cold War?
Did Pope Francis move the debate in 2015 with Laudato Se? It is difficult to be sure, but it may have contributed to the Paris Climate Agreement in 2016.

Now the Pope has has issued an "Apostolic Exhortation" on the state of the Amazon, concerned with man's relationship with the planet, and with justice for people like the indigenous tribes of the region. No doubt he is also concerned with the "Greed Gospel" that the planet is there for humans to despoil, plunder and enrich themselves, in spite of pollution and climate change.


This is in the shadow of the Fascist regime of Jair Bolsonaro who has already made it clear his Government will encourage both illegal and legal exploitation of the Amazon basin, at cost of the its native people, and the planet.

It is important to note that Francis addresses his 15,000-word exhortation “to the whole world” because he believes the main issues being dealt with here are of concern to “the People of God and to All Persons of Good Will” and he wants to “awaken their affection and concern” for Amazonia. He says the church’s concern for the region’s problems “obliges us to discuss” these important issues.
The Pope did not address the issue of married priests in Amazonia, though he does approve a married diaconate, and other roles for women. It is unfortunately this which has attracted most media comment, but there is much more in the document.
 

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Why would anyone trust the Catholic Church on an anything ? ?
I do not as a rule trust Popes (or online ideological Popes like Jordan Peterson, either), not without checking out what they have to say.

But this has gone about his business the right way.
  1. He has lived, suffered and seen his friends suffer, under Fascism and autocracy. Yes, he is not above criticism.
  2. He has a science background.
  3. He consulted the top scientists on the subject of climate change, before committing himself to the topic. Laudato si' - Wikipedia "On Care of Our Common Home"
  4. His message is one of thoughtful commitment to the poor, and to the common good.
He is not speaking as an infallible voice.

And no one is asking anyone to "trust" anyone on first sight, not without reading, listening and understanding.

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I do not as a rule trust Popes (or online ideological Popes like Jordan Peterson, either), not without checking out what they have to say.

But this has gone about his business the right way.
  1. He has lived, suffered and seen his friends suffer, under Fascism and autocracy. Yes, he is not above criticism.
  2. He has a science background.
  3. He consulted the top scientists on the subject of climate change, before committing himself to the topic. Laudato si' - Wikipedia "On Care of Our Common Home"
  4. His message is one of thoughtful commitment to the poor, and to the common good.
He is not speaking as an infallible voice.

And no one is asking anyone to "trust" anyone on first sight, not without reading, listening and understanding.

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I ain’t trusting the Catholic Church. They have Form.
 

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This has to be the craziest article I have read yet on climate change...sci-fi it is certainly but science?
In the 1970s The Guardian promoted the idea that a new ice age is imminent 😂

Now they promote global warming doomsday catastrophism 😂
 

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This has to be the craziest article I have read yet on climate change...sci-fi it is certainly but science?
I am astonished to find you trying to broaden your mind on the subject. Quite a chore.

Since it presents two contrasting scenarios (a good and a bad) maybe you paid insufficient attention?
 


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