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Australia introduce drastic changes to cigerette packing. Should Ireland follow suit?


Sync

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Australia's brought in the toughest restrictions on packaging in the world, taking up over 80% of the box with warning messages and pictures. They're pretty graphic and remove nearly all of the brand logo from the eye. Should Ireland go along with this sort of step?

For me, if the govt's happy to keep them legal and happy to make a huge amount of money in taxes from the product, certainly more than treating lung cancer costs, then people can do without this sort of thing. Everyone knows what smoking does at this point, and isn't this just going to dramatically increase the ease at which counterfeiters can bring in their wares?
 


corporal punishment

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Anyone who's still smoking at this point is probably beyond redemption. Personally I'd target the people the ciggie companies are targetting. Children. If there are no new smokers, big tobacco goes out of business. They're not going to take that lying down.
 

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It's not just the cigarette packing. All cigarettes are kept behind a nondescript front panel. If you did not know where the cigarettes are sold in the shop when you walk in, there is no indication that the shop actually sells cigarettes, and not all shops sell cigarettes.
 
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simeongrimes

I support any restriction on cigarettes except for an outright ban. A ban would give control of the trade to violent criminals. The people who sell cigarettes are no better than criminals but legality gives us more control over them. So yes let's make the packaging as ugly as possible.
 

sic transit

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Anyone who's still smoking at this point is probably beyond redemption. Personally I'd target the people the ciggie companies are targetting. Children. If there are no new smokers, big tobacco goes out of business. They're not going to take that lying down.
No amount of advertising, cajoling, fining or anything else will shift smokers even if they are not completely irredeemable. The arguments have all been aired and bar the curiosity elements of these ads can't see them doing an awful lot. The key as you say is to prevent children starting.
 

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Australia's brought in the toughest restrictions on packaging in the world, taking up over 80% of the box with warning messages and pictures. They're pretty graphic and remove nearly all of the brand logo from the eye. Should Ireland go along with this sort of step?

For me, if the govt's happy to keep them legal and happy to make a huge amount of money in taxes from the product, certainly more than treating lung cancer costs, then people can do without this sort of thing. Everyone knows what smoking does at this point, and isn't this just going to dramatically increase the ease at which counterfeiters can bring in their wares?
If the government insisted on very particular packaging, unique to the Irish market, be used, would that not make it more difficult for counterfeiters?
 
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Dylan2010

If the government insisted on very particular packaging, unique to the Irish market, be used, would that not make it more difficult for counterfeiters?
I cant see why, people that buy them from carboot sales or street corners will assume they are smuggled in from somewhere or another.

I dont see the point in these measures, everyone knows you risk major health issues along the way, if that doesnt motivate you to stop or not start then scary pictures on packets is not going to help. Why should governments have the right to act like parents to adults in the first place?
 

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It's important to ensure that people are aware of the likely consequences of smoking long term, but beyond that I would have concerns about paternalism.

Also, we ought to legalise and tax most forms of drugs.
 

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Anyone who's still smoking at this point is probably beyond redemption. Personally I'd target the people the ciggie companies are targetting. Children. If there are no new smokers, big tobacco goes out of business. They're not going to take that lying down.
I used to be a 50+ a day smoker. That was in the days you could smoke in the office. Gave up many years ago, never looked back.

Completely agree with your point regarding kids, though. If the Aussie packaging puts them off, good job.
 

poolfan81

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All the companies will do is move onto "developing" countries in order to make their profits while inflicting pain and suffering
 

Mattarigna

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Wouldn't say no to it. Ireland still has a relatively large smoking population - Nearly any measure to cut that down would be welcome. Ditto alcohol.
 

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Increase the price and criminalize people who buy smuggled cigarettes. The smugglers are selling in the open seemingly contemptuous of Gardaí. Tougher penalties need to be brought in for cigarette smuggling.
 

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Increase the price and criminalize people who buy smuggled cigarettes. The smugglers are selling in the open seemingly contemptuous of Gardaí. Tougher penalties need to be brought in for cigarette smuggling.
And what will that achieve, other than overflowing jails, young people with even less respect for the Gardai?
 

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And what will that achieve, other than overflowing jails, young people with even less respect for the Gardai?
So let them buy illegal cigarettes and smoke away? I wouldn't put them in jails. I'd make them wear pink overalls and paint derelict buildings or clean the streets. Furthermore I'd dock their dole or pay source to pay for it.
 
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Dylan2010

Increase the price and criminalize people who buy smuggled cigarettes. The smugglers are selling in the open seemingly contemptuous of Gardaí. Tougher penalties need to be brought in for cigarette smuggling.
ye little right wingers and your amusing notions that we are not policed enough :lol:
 

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