Australian Royal Commission - The Catholic Church, February 2017

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Australian Royal Commission on Institutional Abuse - The Catholic Church,

The Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse is a royal commission established to inquire into and report upon responses by institutions to instances and allegations of child sexual abuse in Australia.

They're presently holding Public Hearings into the performance of the Catholic dioceses and Orders.

An Australian abuse-survivor, John Brown, has posted videos of some of the sessions on YouTube; it's not a complete record; it's only some of the sessions.

No 'Likes' on this thread, please. Go to John Brown and give your Likes to John Brown's videps. He's the one who'ss done all the work.

I'll try to insert some additional information, most often by editing my posts.
 
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Theis series of Hearings began with an opening address given by Gail Furness SC, counsel for the Commission.

She gave a brutal exposition of the background and set out the timetable and objectives.


[video=youtube;ZzNMdSjtiCw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzNMdSjtiCw[/video]


Francis Sullivan of the Catholic Church's Truth, Justice and Healing Council represented the Church. He described the number as "shocking".

"They are tragic and they are indefensible," he said.





Shocking extent of Church abuse revealed at Royal Commission
 
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After the morning tea-break Gail Furness SC, the barrister for the Commission. set out the evidence that they're expecting to hear from the witnesses.


[video=youtube;_aKK7uJR6yU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aKK7uJR6yU[/video]


The Royal Commission Into Institutional Response To Child Abuse has found that more than 20 per cent of the members of some Catholic institutions were allegedly involved in child sexual abuse ...

In her opening address, Gail Furness SC said a survey revealed 4,444 allegations of incidents of abuse between January 1980 and February 2015 were made to Catholic Church authorities.

So far, there is yet to be calls to ban people landing in Australia from mostly Catholic countries like Ireland, Italy, Brazil, and the Phillipines.

Cardinal Pell, the highest ranking Australian Catholic and one the highest ranking Catholics in the world has today plead with Australia to not tar their entire religion with the same brush as the 18100 paedophiles that were aided and abetted under his watch ...





“Please Don’t Judge Our Entire Religion On The Actions Of The 20% Of Us That Molest Kids” - Betoota Advocate

As it happened - Day ONE
 
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In the afternoon the Commission heard evidence from two priests: Dr David Ranson and Dr Michael Whelan SM.

Dr Whelan is the one wearing the clerical collar. He's the Parish Priest at St Patrick’s Church Hill, Sydney

Dr Ranson is the Parish priest of Wahroonga and the Vicar General of Broken Bay Diocese.


[video=youtube;EnLz3Uc3z-o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnLz3Uc3z-o[/video]




Here are the church's own figures:

. 40 per cent of the members of the brothers of St John of God had allegations of abuse made against them between 1950 and 2010

. That's compared with 20 per cent of Marist brothers and 22 per cent of Christian brothers

. Between January 1980 and February 2015, 4,444 people alleged incidents of child sexual abuse

. 1,880 people holding positions in the Catholic Church, including priests, were identified as alleged perpetrators

The same day these figures were released, Dr Michael Whelan, a Marist priest, told the inquiry that the church's law of celibacy was misguided and should not be in place. He said celibacy was "a huge issue for the Catholic Church and we have to deal with it".

Would scrapping Catholic priest celibacy reduce child sex abuse?

 
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Tuesday 7th February 2017 - The second day of these Hearings

In the morning the Commission took evidence from Father Thomas P Doyle OP.

Fr Doyle, an American, is a canon lawyer, and author; he is an expert witness and consultant in areas of sexual abuse by priests and religious. Here's his wiki page.


[video=youtube;0011LRbnKXw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0011LRbnKXw[/video]


Fr Doyle's evidence then continued after the morning tea-break.


[video=youtube;0Qxd6jk-vIA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qxd6jk-vIA[/video]




Sydney, Feb 7: Late Pope John Paul II was aware of priests sexually abusing children, and of efforts by the Catholic Church to cover up the allegations, an American canon lawyer claimed on Tuesday.

Thomas Doyle, an expert on cases of sexual abuse by the clergy, said this while testifying at a hearing here in Australia, Efe news reported.

‘Pope John Paul II knew of sexual abuse by priests’
 
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The Third day of these Hearings

Wednesday, 8th February 2017


That morning the Commission heard evidence from:

Dr Maureen Cleary OAM , a Governance and management consultant

Professor Patrick Parkinson AM, Professor of Law, University of Sydney

Mr Peter Johnstone OAM, the President of Catholics for Renewal

Archbishop Mark Coleridge, the Archbishop of Brisbane

Again the Inquisitor is Gail Furness SC, the barrister for the Commission.


[video=youtube;LhVtJdIpBNw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhVtJdIpBNw[/video]


After a morning tea-break the Hearing resumed.


[video=youtube;WcDhiB7Np6Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcDhiB7Np6Q[/video]



Catholic Church a 'law unto itself' Archbishop tells royal commission
 
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The Fourth day of these Hearings

Thursday, 9th February 2017


The Commission heard evidence from canon lawyers:

Mr Kieran Tapsell, Published in the area of canon law

Dr Rodger Austin, Canon lawyer

Sister Moya Hanlen FDNSC, Canon lawyer

and Father Thomas P Doyle OP. (again)

The young man with the beard, asking most of the questions, is barrister Stephen Free, Counsel assisting the Commission.

[video=youtube;6XKzT-Slhjo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XKzT-Slhjo[/video]


the session resumed after the morning tea-break.


[video=youtube;Jn4l6svOu7k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn4l6svOu7k[/video]


The Vatican enforced a culture of secrecy regarding cases of child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church, the royal commission has heard today.

A panel of experts, specialising in canonical or church law, appeared before the final hearing of the Royal Commission into Child Sexual Abuse, agreeing almost unanimously that the directives from Rome were often geared to protect its flock rather than its victims.

Counsel assisting Stephen Free described the pastoral approach as a bishop attempting “for an appropriate period of time and with every means available to help the petitioner to overcome to difficulties which he experiences”.

The approach could involve “transferring him (the perpetrator) from the place in which he is exposed to the danger and according to the nature of the case, giving him the help of brother priests, friends...doctors or psychologists,” Mr Free said.

Vatican enforces Church ‘secrecy’, royal commission hears

An American priest has told the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse that the Catholic Church has used canon law as an excuse for not taking action against clergy accused of molesting children.

Catholic canon law used to avoid dealing with paedophiles, priest says
 
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The Third day ofessor Ian Waters, Dr Joseph Grayland, Fathers Frank Brennan and Laurie McNamara; and Bishop Terence Curtin, an auxiliary bishop in the Archdiocese of Melbourne.

The subject was the secrecy of Confession.

Here's a 13-minute clip.


[video=youtube;J2FKY9Un9YA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2FKY9Un9YA[/video]

In the clip Bishop Curtin is the cleric wearing the roman-collar giving the first response.

Then Professor Waters goes into a detail of the Seal of Confession.

Fr Grayland suggested that children might be starting Confession too young.

Fr Brennan's opinion that a child was not actally a 'penitant', and the Seal of Confession didn't apply when the 'sin' that they 'confessed' was actually that they were being sexually abused by an adult.

That led to a wider discussion.

Again the young man with the beard is barrister Stephen Free.
 
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The Sixth day of these Hearings

Monday, 13th February 2017


That afternoon the Commission heard evidence from GeraldineRobinson, a Clinical psychologist and consultant.


[video=youtube;NcIUh8Kwz7w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcIUh8Kwz7w[/video]
 
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Tuesday 14th February 2017 - The seventh day of these Hearings. This is Sessions 1 and 2.

Regarding the Formation and psychological assessment of seminary students.


[video=youtube;4VXRT7G_tK4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VXRT7G_tK4[/video]


The Panel giving evidence are:

Sister Lydia Allen RSM
Human Formation, Seminary of the Good Shepherd

Father Peter Thompson CM

Rector, Vianney College Wagga Wagga

Father John Hogan

Rector, Holy Spirit Seminary Parramatta

Father Brendan Kelly SJ

Provincial Delegate Jesuit formation

Dr David Leary OFM

Lecturer, Yarra Theological Union, University of Divinity, Victoria

The young man with the beard, asking most of the questions, is barrister Stephen Free, Counsel assisting the Commission.

The panel continued with their evidence after the morning tea-break.


[video=youtube;xef3pmctw_Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xef3pmctw_Q[/video]
 
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Gerald Ridsdale

I,ve just found these three videous of the Commission grilling the notorious pedophile ex-priest Gerald Risddale on 28th May 2915 -

Anyone following the thread http://www.politics.ie/forum/foreign-affairs/214309-australia-ex-barrister-priest-told-clergy-avoid-notes-sexual-abuse-claims.html#post7078732 might want to watch these.

[video=youtube;XgsBt8hS2ao]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgsBt8hS2ao[/video]

[video=youtube;EsBM7qA9S2g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBM7qA9S2g[/video]

[video=youtube;ZU6qw8UgvpI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZU6qw8UgvpI[/video]

A few days before Ridsdale's appearance the Royal Commission published on its website documents revealing details of Ridsdale’s abuse and the response from the Catholic church, including Ballarat's bishop at that time, Ronald Mulkearns. PPS oops, sorry - I forgot the link - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/may/22/paedophile-priest-gerald-ridsdale-i-was-out-of-control-abusing-altar-boys

(PS. I've edited the title of the thread since it's not now confined to only the Hearings in Sydney earlier this year.)
 
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Yes, you're right McT, and its the same with most of the seven Sacraments.

The Seal of Confession is no excuse for not reporting any serious crime.
 

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University report lifts the lid on child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church
Author: Kieran Tapsell

MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA — The most comprehensive report ever published on the systemic reasons behind child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church has recently been released.


The August 2017 report, Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church: An Interpretive Review of the Literature and Public Inquiry Reports, examined 26 commissions of inquiry, scientific research and literature since 1985 to find common features in the culture, history and structures of the church and the psychological, social and theological factors that contributed to the tragedy.
Kieran Tapsell is a retired civil lawyer and the author of Potiphar's Wife: The Vatican's Secret and Child Sexual Abuse and of a submission to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse: Canon Law, A Systemic Factor in Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church. He was a member of the canon law panel before the Australian Royal Commission Feb. 9, 2017


Clip of chapter summary page of the August 2017 "Child Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church: An Interpretive Review of the Literature and Public Inquiry Reports"

https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/university-report-lifts-lid-child-sexual-abuse-catholic-church
 

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This little ten-minute video is a useful guide to the Commission's Final Report.


[video=youtube;9ANf0hBfSZ0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ANf0hBfSZ0[/video]
 


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