Austrian presidential election results are CANCELLED.

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Tho' the Austrian presidency is largely ceremonial, like ours, also like ours it can be a highly significant bellwether, being by universal suffrage (the only 2 in Europe). Plus: a vote for Hofer is an invitation to him to turn the presidency in an activist direction.

Another dimension: Budapest and Warsaw are slavering for a Hofer win as vindicating their migrant stance. And Austria's re-run is now set to coincide closely with Orban's [anti-]migrant quota referendum (due in autumn 16), meaning a potential double whammy to the open-border-ists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_migrant_quota_referendum,_2016
There's also this:
a referendum in Italy in October where the centrist figure of Matteo Renzi has staked his prime ministership on winning support for governance and constitutional reforms.

If he loses and resigns it would be a huge blow for centrism, and the portents do not look good. A new Demos poll for La Repubblica shows the Eurosceptic Five Start Movement would win an Italian general election tomorrow, with Mr Renzi’s current approval rating at just 40% - a 34 point slump from its 74% peak in June 2014.
Daily Telegraph: Austria's presidential election re-run could not come at a worse time for Europe
 


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To be fair in the 21st century the idea of a Greater Germany usually referred to union of Germany and the rest of the EU.
You mean 'mitteleuropa' which is is not just a geographical term, (middle europe), it has come to mean in the political and cultural context German hegemony on the continent, and the Euro has facilitated that with the French and Itaialn bankrupt states cosseted within in. Thus the Franco German axis with the supplicant benelux and Northern Italians happy to continue with same and no wonder then that the founding members of the E.U. dare to push ahead towards the superstate, hoping the chatel states, continue to allow themselves to be conned.
 

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The best way to deal with Austrian Nationalism is to fill Austria with immigrants. The cause of nationalist uppitiness is not too much immigration but too little.
In times past countries like Austria, unlike say Ireland, were at the epicentre of invasions from non-Europeans from the Near East and Middle East and further.

The memory of how these invasions were repelled is probably in the collective Austrian memory.

We'd do well to heed the fact that Austria moving further to the right is a pre-emptive move on their part.
 

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When it comes down to it a lot of working class people will use the secret ballot to express their base opinion of how they see the world around them in reality, not how the morons in the media try to "instruct" them from their expensive home addresses.

The question is simply, is too much 3rd world welfare dependent immigration what you want in your Country and after what Merkel did last year can you trust the current politicians to be responsible ?

In the main, and this is key, not that a lot of times really good ,decent , hard working people come in but IN THE MAIN,, it really is nothing but 1st world social welfare for most and there is a job/housing/services deficit ,, which of course affects the working class most and not the elite fookwits.
 

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Plus growing talk in Italy of a referendum on € membership.

If Hofer wins, bravo Juncker, who'll have waded into yet another plebiscite, and lost. Santé!

The EU is starting to look like a wrecking ball. It's wrecked the Med's economies, may have broken up the UK, is distorting Mitteleuropa's politics ... Its reaction each time: to threaten, patronize, denigrate its victims.

Prost!
 
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Plus growing talk in Italy of a referendum on € membership.

If Hofer wins, bravo Juncker, who'll have waded into yet another plebiscite, and lost. Santé!

The EU is starting to look like a wrecking ball. It's wrecked the Med's economies, may have broken up the UK, is distorting Mitteleuropa's politics ... Its reaction each time: to threaten, patronize, denigrate its victims.

Prost!
The EU needs reform; there's no doubt about that. But the rise of right-wing populism in Austria isn't directly of the EU's making. That's down to Angela Merkel and her call to Syrian refugees to come to Germany. Cue stampede across south-eastern Europe. The whole thing has been a Godsend for the far-right.
 

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You mean 'mitteleuropa' which is is not just a geographical term, (middle europe), it has come to mean in the political and cultural context German hegemony on the continent, and the Euro has facilitated that with the French and Itaialn bankrupt states cosseted within in. Thus the Franco German axis with the supplicant benelux and Northern Italians happy to continue with same and no wonder then that the founding members of the E.U. dare to push ahead towards the superstate, hoping the chatel states, continue to allow themselves to be conned.
Mitteleuropa did not refer to German hegemony. It referred to the sphere of influence of Austria Hungary which although a German speaking empire was multicultural .
 

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You mean 'mitteleuropa' which is is not just a geographical term, (middle europe), it has come to mean in the political and cultural context German hegemony on the continent, and the Euro has facilitated that with the French and Itaialn bankrupt states cosseted within in. Thus the Franco German axis with the supplicant benelux and Northern Italians happy to continue with same and no wonder then that the founding members of the E.U. dare to push ahead towards the superstate, hoping the chatel states, continue to allow themselves to be conned.
The French desire for the EU has plummeted.
If France leaves then the EU is dead.

The German clown Merkele is also in real trouble with grave domestic issues.

Mitteleuropa did not refer to German hegemony.
But now it does.

[Please get with the programme.]

It referred to the sphere of influence of Austria Hungary which although a German speaking empire was multicultural .
All in the past, like many of your views on these contemporary problems.

Any chance you two idiots could bugger off? Your levels of stupidity offends my 8 year old daughter.
It is now certain that you take your lead in all such matters from an eight year old child.

Most posters already know this, but thanks anyway for confirming your total lack of real adult maturity.

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Mitteleuropa did not refer to German hegemony. It referred to the sphere of influence of Austria Hungary which although a German speaking empire was multicultural .
Not exactly right, C, the initial and literal sense of the word simply meant middleeurope, and thus Austria/Hungary/Prussia and then later its sense was of Germanic middle europe.

That initial sense was lost as it became synonymous with Bismarckian statecraft morphing later into ensuring German Economic Hegemony in Europe, then morphing into Nazi ambition of Lebensruam, not simply to unify all the German speaking populations into the Third Reich but also a subservient chatel Eastern and Southern Europe

Gordon A Craig, probably one of the best historians on Germany 1866 to 1945, shows well the changing sense and political use of the term. Besides, as I said in my initial post, 'it has come to mean'...

As Niall Ferguson once said, Germany has ultimately achieved much of what was its goal all along, first by the statecraft of Bismarck undone by an erratic and incomptetent Kaiser, later belligerently and perversely with added on Lebensraum by Hitler, finally by sheer economic might and the contrivance of the Euro

The first two stages were expostulated magisterially by Craig in his book Germany 1866 to 1945, and that goal was Mitteleuropa economic dominance. Now it has become E.U. dominance and sadly the price for the periphery and the rest of Europe has been too high.

If you read posts like an eight year old it is an easy mistake to make, i.e. sticking only to the initial and literal sense of the word and ignoring what it je jure became post German Unification 1870, post Weimar, and post the fall of the Berlin Wall. :)
 
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Austria will re-run a presidential election run-off on Oct. 2, giving far-right eurosceptic candidate Norbert Hofer the chance to reverse a wafer-thin defeat, this time in the shadow of Britain's vote to leave the European Union.

Hofer and his FPO (Freedom Party) have already raised the prospect of Austria holding a similar referendum, yet political analysts say the tactic risks foundering on a deep bedrock of support for European integration.
Austria to re-run presidential vote on October 2 in shadow of Brexit | Reuters
 

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The EU needs reform; there's no doubt about that. But the rise of right-wing populism in Austria isn't directly of the EU's making. That's down to Angela Merkel and her call to Syrian refugees to come to Germany. Cue stampede across south-eastern Europe. The whole thing has been a Godsend for the far-right.
It's also been a godsend for the citizens of small countries with little clout, like Ireland, which are increasingly being dictated to by Germany and whose national governments are spineless.
 
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As Niall Ferguson once said, Germany has ultimately achieved much of what was its goal all along, first by the statecraft of Bismarck undone by an erratic and incomptetent Kaiser, later belligerently and perversely with added on Lebensraum by Hitler, finally by sheer economic might and the contrivance of the Euro

The first two stages were expostulated magisterially by Craig in his book Germany 1866 to 1945, and that goal was Mitteleuropa economic dominance. Now it has become E.U. dominance and sadly the price for the periphery and the rest of Europe has been too high.

If you read posts like an eight year old it is an easy mistake to make, i.e. sticking only to the initial and literal sense of the word and ignoring what it je jure became post German Unification 1870, post Weimar, and post the fall of the Berlin Wall. :)
I don't see any vast and sinister plan - just historical inevitabilities. Once upon a time, during the Dark Ages, being on the periphery conferred numerous advantages because we were far away from the barbarian hordes ravaging the east. Also, economic integration (aka moving stuff around) was easier because it was done across the vast and empty sea as opposed to the violent, plague ridden land.

Sooner or later, Europeans were going to settle down and decide to cooperate with each other as opposed to trying to exterminate each other. Lo and behold, now there's more economic activity at the centre of Europe where there are hundreds of millions of people living within a radius of a few hundred kilometres. As an aside, Germany's wirtschaftwunder would have been a damn sight less wunderbar if they were a small island on the edge of the Atlantic Ocean.

Anyway, the European periphery isn't doing so badly. Scandinavia is wealthier than the EU average while Ireland, Scotland and Wales are holding their own - albeit with EU funds in the latter case/s. Of the peripheral countries, only the Mediterranean states are failing and I think that's due to other reasons than their peripherality.
 

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Polls for next round.

Hofer (FPÖ), Van der Bellen (Greens)
6 July Gallup/Österreich 600 51 49 —
27 June Gallup/Österreich 600 49.4 50.6 —
10 June Gallup/Österreich 600 49.4 50.6

Possible Brexit has given Hofer a slight boost. Auxit could be a small step nearer.
 
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Polls for next round.

Hofer (FPÖ), Van der Bellen (Greens)
6 July Gallup/Österreich 600 51 49 —
27 June Gallup/Österreich 600 49.4 50.6 —
10 June Gallup/Österreich 600 49.4 50.6

Possible Brexit has given Hofer a slight boost. Auxit could be a small step nearer.
Compared to the last comparable opinion poll before the second round election, that suggests a fall in support for Hofer.
 

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Recent refugee-terrorist attacks in Europe may have boosted the ratings of FPO's candidate Norbert Hofer, with his lead widening to 4 percent

The Gallup poll, conducted July 26–27, 2016, is the first to be taken after the attacks and focused specifically on how they have affected voter attitudes for the presidential election rerun scheduled for October 2, 2016.

The results showed that Hofer has a “comfortable lead” over Van der Bellen.

He has widened his lead and currently is on course to win 52 percent of the vote to Van der Bellen’s 48 percent, the poll said—adding however that margins of error meant that they still might overlap somewhat.

According to the poll, the margin of error for Hofer is set to a range of between 47.5 to 56.5 percent, and Van der Bellen’s is 43.5 to 52.5 percent.

It is significant, however, that even within this margin of error range, Hofer’s totals are still higher.

Hofer zieht davon
 


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