• Due to a glitch in the old vBulletin software, some users were "banned" when they tried to change their passwords at the end of February. This does not apply after the site was converted to Xenforo. If you were affected by this, please us viua the Contact us link in the footer.

Awful conduct of Ballaghaderreen solicitor-well connected in Church,Politics etc


Eoin Coir

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 16, 2012
Messages
16,604
Only proper legislation can sort out the LS but solicitors in Ireland are too powerful a group to be brought under control by the Govt and whilst Declan is a major embarrassment his fall from grace will be swept under the carpet as quietly as possible.
The one person who might have done it was Alan Shatter,but he was shafted by Lawyers,Judges,Catholic right,Guards etc,he was of course a Jew too
 


Ardillaun

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 4, 2010
Messages
11,395
Only proper legislation can sort out the LS but solicitors in Ireland are too powerful a group to be brought under control by the Govt and whilst Declan is a major embarrassment his fall from grace will be swept under the carpet as quietly as possible.
They’ll need a fair-sized carpet to hide this monster under. It’s big and long and it has legs.
 

Roberto Jordan

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 28, 2012
Messages
2,076
That's the problem with self-regulation by any profession. If it is structured right and designed to eliminate practices which bring a profession into disrepute then it can and does work.

However if self-regulation is in place merely to prevent proper oversight, seen as 'onerous' by those in the profession, then it will end up bringing the profession into disrepute. And of course light touch self-regulation where in this case the Law Society seems to have stepped back decades ago and implied the problems at this partnership were now resolved then it becomes a green light for the undesirable behaviour to recommence.

And people who would use client's money to fund their own lifestyle are generally of the thick-necked variety in whatever profession and are likely to see that regulatory process as a temporary issue which will disappear- at which point they can again do as they wish.

Self-regulation where it isn't underpinned by real oversight is hardly any regulation at all. And of course whereas the majority in a profession will never have to encounter sanctions under any regulatory process it is the ones who will test any system who are the ones requiring proper oversight.
Solicitors have legal powers , by definition, that enable to perform their tasks but also enable the operation of the criminal and civil legal systems. This means they are different from some, but not all, other professions.
In that system it is pretty universally recognised that AGS, for example, should be subject to external control and , separate, independent third party scrutiny.
any argument that says AGS must be independently regulated but the law society,for example, need not be is specious, classist and anachronistic with no basis in reality. In particular when one reconginses that members of AGS operate in real military style discipline & hierarchical structures.
Same can be said of the other "traditional" professions. All which share a commonality of self regulation, legal recognition & rights and independence of practitioners.
Its a hangover of the 19th century. Just like their cousins in the barristers professions' wigs and pre-independence institutions.
 

stanley

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 20, 2007
Messages
9,546
They’ll need a fair-sized carpet to hide this monster under. It’s big and long and it has legs.


Whilst I agree it is a significant case, the numbers in comparison to large town/city firms are small and they together with the LS will want this buried asap and those owed money paid off.
 

Paddyc

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 30, 2009
Messages
9,298
Solicitors have legal powers , by definition, that enable to perform their tasks but also enable the operation of the criminal and civil legal systems. This means they are different from some, but not all, other professions.
In that system it is pretty universally recognised that AGS, for example, should be subject to external control and , separate, independent third party scrutiny.
any argument that says AGS must be independently regulated but the law society,for example, need not be is specious, classist and anachronistic with no basis in reality. In particular when one reconginses that members of AGS operate in real military style discipline & hierarchical structures.
Same can be said of the other "traditional" professions. All which share a commonality of self regulation, legal recognition & rights and independence of practitioners.
Its a hangover of the 19th century. Just like their cousins in the barristers professions' wigs and pre-independence institutions.
AGS is a state security agency with wide ranging powers over the citizen.

The LS is a regulatory and representative body for solicitors.

One of these things is not like the other.
 

cricket

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 7, 2009
Messages
13,959
The LS seems to be somewhat like the catholic church was a few years ago, considered themselves above the law that applies to everyone else. They should be obliged to report crime that they become aware of to the gardaí, same as everybody else is.
 

Ardillaun

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 4, 2010
Messages
11,395
Whilst I agree it is a significant case, the numbers in comparison to large town/city firms are small and they together with the LS will want this buried asap and those owed money paid off.
I'm not sure one can say that until the entire history of the practice has been examined in detail.
 

stanley

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 20, 2007
Messages
9,546
I'm not sure one can say that until the entire history of the practice has been examined in detail.
The second practice needs to be also examined.

My guess is Mary 2 names is an unqualified bookkeeper otherwise another " professional " body would be involved.
 
Last edited:

stanley

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 20, 2007
Messages
9,546
Wonder when is O Callaghan back in HC again,no word of late.

Ex-lawyer who overcharged - Independent.ie


"He was previously the principal at O'Donoghue & Company, Egans Lane, Tuam, Co Galway, but closed the firm in 2011 and has not taken out a practising certificate since.

Yesterday's tribunal hearing arose out of complaints made by or on behalf of the late Mrs Niland's two daughters Yvonne and Geraldine.

Ms Niland died in 2007 and it later fell to Mr O'Donoghue to extract a grant of probate, sell her former home in Monkstown, Co Dublin and administer her estate".



The amount of time passed is huge in this case but I guess nobody was encouraging the daughters to make a claim against the Solicitors Compensation Fund, this O'Callaghan case could go same way.
 

Eoin Coir

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 16, 2012
Messages
16,604
there was an O Donoghue a state solicitor in Galway once,probably not related
 

stanley

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 20, 2007
Messages
9,546
Wonder when is O Callaghan back in HC again,no word of late.


Staunton Caulfield continues to practice under the management of the two daughters and Mary 2 names is looking after the books.

DOC is still under investigation by the Law Society who have not yet completed their probe, which is ongoing..........
 

Lumpy Talbot

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 30, 2015
Messages
26,190
Twitter
No
Wondering whether the Law Society thought to employ an accountant to look at the books and determine whether client funds have somehow gone astray.

It would be classically Irish in terms of governance for the law society to say they have concerns but not in any detail- implying that auditing accountancy would be a different sort of investigation altogether.
 

stanley

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 20, 2007
Messages
9,546
Wondering whether the Law Society thought to employ an accountant to look at the books and determine whether client funds have somehow gone astray.

It would be classically Irish in terms of governance for the law society to say they have concerns but not in any detail- implying that auditing accountancy would be a different sort of investigation altogether.


The lads at the LS spend a lot of time also, wondering.
 

stanley

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 20, 2007
Messages
9,546
Shane Phelan: 'Law Society faces questions over case of solicitor who overcharged by €650,000' - Independent.ie

Shane Phelan: 'Law Society faces questions over case of solicitor who overcharged by €650,000'

Time to regulate the legal profession on a statutory basis I think.

"By that stage Mr Buckley had appealed the Taxing Master's findings to the High Court. A ruling upholding those findings was made last December, but is now being appealed further to the Court of Appeal.

In the meantime, Mr Doyle has amassed substantial legal bills in pursuit of the money he believes he is owed and further court battles await him".


It's a very long case and Doyle may find all the monies are gone by the time all Appeals are finished, there is major animosity v Buckley, Doyle's new lawyers agree as does the Taxing Master, it does seem LS have no way to control Buckley.

How many more cases like this, clients seem to put up with a lot.
 

stanley

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 20, 2007
Messages
9,546
Just rolls on and on, lads at the LS watching and listening to the clock, go tick tock.
 

New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top