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Back to School allowance and Christmas Bonus to be scrapped?


dandyspencer

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Ive heard from a friend that works in welfare, that there is talk about the Back to school allowance and Christmas bonus to be scrapped.

Clearly there are many more people who now would be entitled to these benefits, but would there be much public outrage if both these payments are scrapped?

Do people agree that they should be scrapped? And what about the implications of parents not being able to purchase school uniforms or provide for their families next Christmas?
 

Catalpa

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Ive heard from a friend that works in welfare, that there is talk about the Back to school allowance and Christmas bonus to be scrapped.

Clearly there are many more people who now would be entitled to these benefits, but would there be much public outrage if both these payments are scrapped?

Do people agree that they should be scrapped? And what about the implications of parents not being able to purchase school uniforms or provide for their families next Christmas?
They should be restricted to Irish Citizens only IMO.
 

gnash1970

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Ive heard from a friend that works in welfare, that there is talk about the Back to school allowance and Christmas bonus to be scrapped.

Clearly there are many more people who now would be entitled to these benefits, but would there be much public outrage if both these payments are scrapped?

Do people agree that they should be scrapped? And what about the implications of parents not being able to purchase school uniforms or provide for their families next Christmas?
Didn't you quit your job to live off the dole by choice?
 

blucey

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That's what we have to get back to instead of this Surreal Mess we are in now.
for the zth time
A is not an irish (but is an EU) citzen
A pays tax, and social welfare and whatever and lives in ireland
A is ENTITLED to the same treatment as an otherwise identical IRISH citzen
Too hard?
 

rasher

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They should be restricted to Irish Citizens only IMO.
So non-Irish citizens who happen to be temporarily out of work having paid taxes in this state should not be able to claim welfare upon falling on hard times?

In response to the OP, the back to school allowance is particularly important in the case of the long term unemployed and helps to break the cycle of generational unemployment.

If it came down to a toss up between the two, this allowance should be kept on for the above reason. Secondly it would cost the Department of Social Welfare less than the Christmas bonus.
 

corelli

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Ive heard from a friend that works in welfare, that there is talk about the Back to school allowance and Christmas bonus to be scrapped.

Clearly there are many more people who now would be entitled to these benefits, but would there be much public outrage if both these payments are scrapped?

Do people agree that they should be scrapped? And what about the implications of parents not being able to purchase school uniforms or provide for their families next Christmas?
Minister for Social Welfare is on record after the budget saying christmas bonus was definitely being kept. You or your friend are kite flying mate!
 

spidermom

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Well at the very least childrens allowance should only be paid to children who reside in the state.


I have NO problem with anybody recieving entitlements who reside and work in this state but to be paying for kiddies who don't live here is ridiculous.
 

dandyspencer

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Minister for Social Welfare is on record after the budget saying christmas bonus was definitely being kept. You or your friend are kite flying mate!

This is the same Government who predicted unemployment at 7%?

The same Government who got their sums wrong in the last Budget?

The same Government who said they would reduce class sizes?

I wouldnt beleive a word they say!
 

dandyspencer

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for the zth time
A is not an irish (but is an EU) citzen
A pays tax, and social welfare and whatever and lives in ireland
A is ENTITLED to the same treatment as an otherwise identical IRISH citzen
Too hard?

Only in Ireland.

EU law is very selective.

France, Germany and the whole of Europe excluding Britain and Sweden still refuse the Polish etc to even work there.

And what does the EU say?

Nothing.

But Ireland, one of the smallest nations in Europe has to give full access to our employment markets and welfare state!
 

LeftOfCentre

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The fact that Children's allowance in not currently not means tested is a disgrace.
 

dub14

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Benefits like this need to be means tested. Child benefit the same.
Of all the benefits out there I think CB is the one that should be left alone. We have already had the McCreevey inspired tax individualation which effectively discrimiates against the stay at home mother (in most cases). We probably want more people to choose to quit working than ever before - taking CB form them would only make that decision harder and less viable,

I will concede that the U6 allowance payment could easily be scrapped.
 

spidermom

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Benefits like this need to be means tested. Child benefit the same.


Back to school is means tested,
christmas bonus is only to those on welfare, so thats a pretty good means test don't you think?????

However the time has come to tax child benefit, and as a mum of four, I'm dreading this cos we will probably loose out and it is used wisely!!!!
 

yehbut_nobut

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Back to school is means tested,
christmas bonus is only to those on welfare, so thats a pretty good means test don't you think?????

However the time has come to tax child benefit, and as a mum of four, I'm dreading this cos we will probably loose out and it is used wisely!!!!

You beat me to it! Child benefit should be available to all children here, but treated as taxable income at the full rate (like the seniors medical card imho).

It's a ridiculous situation that it's available to children who aren't living here however. As a matter of interest - is UK child benifit being paid to any parents living over there whose children for whatever reason live in here Ireland?

Surely the could change the rule so that children must be attending / registered on a waiting list for a school here- Or registered with GP / dentist or other Irish state service - in order to qualify?
 

rasher

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EU Citizens are not automatically entitled to Social Welfare here.

Nor are the Citizens of any other State.

Too hard?
In the example posted the EU citizen has paid Income Tax and PRSI as has their employer on their behalf and therefore are entitled to some Social Welfare depending on their contribution to the system
 
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