Backstop Compromise or No Deal

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NO but we have to challenge their racism and their contempt on a wider scale especially in Ireland where the narrative is growing that we should grovel.
Paddy,
If you know what's good for you, you should grovel.
If you don't the consequences will befall your own fault.
 


bells of shando

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17.4 Brits million voted to get out from underneath the control of the anti-democratic EU . The imposition of EU austerity economics has ravaged the UK and the rest of the Euro zone.
The Brits have woken up and want to control their own economy and policies, without the dead hand of the EU, interfering in almost every aspect of their Institutions,
The EU is heading for collapse at the next Financial Crisis ,which is on the horizon. The shell game that is the Euro cannot be kept afloat any longer.
 

shiel

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17.4 Brits million voted to get out from underneath the control of the anti-democratic EU . The imposition of EU austerity economics has ravaged the UK and the rest of the Euro zone.
The Brits have woken up and want to control their own economy and policies, without the dead hand of the EU, interfering in almost every aspect of their Institutions,
The EU is heading for collapse at the next Financial Crisis ,which is on the horizon. The shell game that is the Euro cannot be kept afloat any longer.
Brexit has torn up agreements with nearly thirty European democracies. Those agreements enabled cooperation in matters of mutual interest in a continent with a centuries long history of imperial/totalitarian war. The vote in favour of Brexit is, therefore, to be deplored.

Brexiteers want to tear up the Good Friday Agreement. The GFA is an agreement the UK signed with a former colony to draw a line under centuries of colonial rule. The vote in favour of tearing up the GFA, therefore, seems equally deplorable.

If the UK is stuck with the present situation then the future does not look good not alone for the UK but for the EU.

The vote getting narrative now seems to boil down to who is going to be blamed for the debacle that is going to ensue.

No doubt Boris Johnson is going to blame the EU.
 

livingstone

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17.4 Brits million voted to get out from underneath the control of the anti-democratic EU . The imposition of EU austerity economics has ravaged the UK and the rest of the Euro zone.
The Brits have woken up and want to control their own economy and policies, without the dead hand of the EU, interfering in almost every aspect of their Institutions,
The EU is heading for collapse at the next Financial Crisis ,which is on the horizon. The shell game that is the Euro cannot be kept afloat any longer.
OK - I'll bite. What EU law compelled the UK to adopt any austerity?
 

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The Growth & Stability Pact is in practice the austerity plan of the EU. Under EU regulations deficits must be limited to 3%.This is insufficient to stimulate stagnating Economies.
Italy is attempting to circumvent this by issuing a State credit card, valid in Italian enterprises only, it also intend to issue an internal bond called the Mini-Bot.
All European Nation States are now in recession, even Germany.
We are in a debt deflation period. Debt deflation is when there is insufficient investment in an Economy and seen by reduced spending in the High St shops and boarded up businesses.
The cure for deflation is direct Govt fiscal intervention by Infrastructure spending.
Eurozone countries cannot do this, they do not control their own autonomous currency. They are trapped in a downward spiral to poverty.
 

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The Growth & Stability Pact is in practice the austerity plan of the EU. Under EU regulations deficits must be limited to 3%.This is insufficient to stimulate stagnating Economies.
Italy is attempting to circumvent this by issuing a State credit card, valid in Italian enterprises only, it also intend to issue an internal bond called the Mini-Bot.
All European Nation States are now in recession, even Germany.
We are in a debt deflation period. Debt deflation is when there is insufficient investment in an Economy and seen by reduced spending in the High St shops and boarded up businesses.
The cure for deflation is direct Govt fiscal intervention by Infrastructure spending.
Eurozone countries cannot do this, they do not control their own autonomous currency. They are trapped in a downward spiral to poverty.
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So you dismatle the EU and the Euro zone and go back to the iron curtain in Eastern Europe?

In addition the UK becomes the 51st state of the US and fascists take over the countries of Europe???
 

mangaire2

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Paddy,
If you know what's good for you, you should grovel.
If you don't the consequences will befall your own fault.
maybe you guys should take your own advise, & do a bit of grovelling,
cause there sure will be "consequences" for the people of the Six as well as the Twenty Six counties.
 

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The Growth & Stability Pact is in practice the austerity plan of the EU. Under EU regulations deficits must be limited to 3%.This is insufficient to stimulate stagnating Economies.
Italy is attempting to circumvent this by issuing a State credit card, valid in Italian enterprises only, it also intend to issue an internal bond called the Mini-Bot.
All European Nation States are now in recession, even Germany.
We are in a debt deflation period. Debt deflation is when there is insufficient investment in an Economy and seen by reduced spending in the High St shops and boarded up businesses.
The cure for deflation is direct Govt fiscal intervention by Infrastructure spending.
Eurozone countries cannot do this, they do not control their own autonomous currency. They are trapped in a downward spiral to poverty.
Amazing that Brits blame the Eu for their own failings. Hopefully they’ll be gone ASAP. They deserve everything that’s coming.
 

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Paddy,
If you know what's good for you, you should grovel.
If you don't the consequences will befall your own fault.
It seems you locationally challenged Unionists trapped in Ireland are in for a big surprise - Ireland have the real British in Britain over a barrel.

Only yesterday as reported on BBC News, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi warned the brits, for the third time in as many months, that there will be no trade deal between the UK and the USA unless the new de-facto border between Ireland as a whole and Britain is back where it belongs, in the Irish Sea.

“If Brexit undermines the Good Friday accord, there will be no chance of a U.S.-U.K. trade agreement passing the Congress. The peace of the Good Friday Agreement is treasured by the American people and will be fiercely defended on a bicameral and bipartisan basis in the United States Congress.”

 

Gin Soaked

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Brexit could be in next 10 days

TL:TR : Unilateral withdrawal. Backstop for NI only. Call a GE and shaft the DUP.

Now the EU need to agree to an earlier date. Ballsy. Illegal. Chaos and anger in business circles but otherwise easier than no deal.

But with NI in customs union, we would need a very hard border between NI and GB. which the EU could not enforce.

Would also remove any leverage for the UK getting a deal which was any better than no deal.

The EU would, however, be able to watch GB implode. And the fleggers would have no power.

Grotesque. Illegal, but less far fetched than any other boris delusion.
 

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Brexit NO DEAL and Crashing Out are the word framing of Project Fear. There is no such thing in reality.Britain will leave on WTO terms and trade worldwide.
EU is small world thinking and yesterdays man.
The East is rising led by China and its New Silk Roads project.
Get on board or get left behind, history does not wait.
 

Gin Soaked

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Brexit NO DEAL and Crashing Out are the word framing of Project Fear. There is no such thing in reality.Britain will leave on WTO terms and trade worldwide.
EU is small world thinking and yesterdays man.
The East is rising led by China and its New Silk Roads project.
Get on board or get left behind, history does not wait.
But Britain can trade worldwide now on better terms. You do know that?

And Britian can control it's own borders now. There is no obligation to give welfare to EU citizens. And any post Brexit trade deal with non EU countries will include lots of visas for various shades of brown people and lower food standards in UK shops.

So without the moral bankruptcy of abandoning the spirit of the GFA through whoring a minority govt to the DUP, and effectively abandoning the letter of the GFA with proposing a hard Brexit, the above self interest should stop any crazed pursuit of no deal.
 

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Brexit NO DEAL and Crashing Out are the word framing of Project Fear. There is no such thing in reality.Britain will leave on WTO terms and trade worldwide.
EU is small world thinking and yesterdays man.
The East is rising led by China and its New Silk Roads project.
Get on board or get left behind, history does not wait.
I have to admit that I don't know as much on the subject of WTO rules as I should. Please correct me where I am wrong.

In so far as I understand it WTO rules set out the tariff levels on certain goods where there is no negotiated trade deal in existence. eg. 40% tariff on Lamb.

The WTO rules do not stipulate that Country A can send goods to Country B , and as long as the tariffs are paid, without limitation on how much or when the goods may be sent.

Or am I wrong.

If I am right I'm just wondering how Britain is going to conduct international trade.
 

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The Growth & Stability Pact is in practice the austerity plan of the EU. Under EU regulations deficits must be limited to 3%.This is insufficient to stimulate stagnating Economies.
Italy is attempting to circumvent this by issuing a State credit card, valid in Italian enterprises only, it also intend to issue an internal bond called the Mini-Bot.
All European Nation States are now in recession, even Germany.
We are in a debt deflation period. Debt deflation is when there is insufficient investment in an Economy and seen by reduced spending in the High St shops and boarded up businesses.
The cure for deflation is direct Govt fiscal intervention by Infrastructure spending.
Eurozone countries cannot do this, they do not control their own autonomous currency. They are trapped in a downward spiral to poverty.
That's a cool story but the UK never had any formal obligations under the SGP to maintain low deficits, and was never at risk of any sanctions.

UK austerity was a policy choice by a UK Government. Not the EU.
 

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Britain will not put up a hard border in N.Ireland, that will be the prerogitive of the EU and its puppet bumboy Leo.
The UK will have to under the terms of the WTO.

All the EU has to do is sit tight until the UK's hand is forced by the WTO.

Anyway it won't come to that - the new de-facto border between Ireland as a whole and Britain will be back where it belongs, in the Irish Sea.
 

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That's a cool story but the UK never had any formal obligations under the SGP to maintain low deficits, and was never at risk of any sanctions.

UK austerity was a policy choice by a UK Government. Not the EU.
I need a laugh - remind us all again how the UK can do service deals with the EU under the terms of the backstop within the Withdrawal Agreement, when the UK is claiming it is leaving the CU and SM, and all that entails (regulatory alignment etc) to do free trade deals (goods and services) with third party countries???
 

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I need a laugh - remind us all again how the UK can do service deals with the EU under the terms of the backstop within the Withdrawal Agreement, when the UK is claiming it is leaving the CU and SM, and all that entails (regulatory alignment etc) to do free trade deals (goods and services) with third party countries???
So if the WA agreement or some other fudge is implemented, and the GFA is to be protected through same, can the UK import chlorinated chicken and the EU risk said chicken crossing the border?

Excuse trivialising the matter, but that is in essence the crux here?
 

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I need a laugh - remind us all again how the UK can do service deals with the EU under the terms of the backstop within the Withdrawal Agreement, when the UK is claiming it is leaving the CU and SM, and all that entails (regulatory alignment etc) to do free trade deals (goods and services) with third party countries???
Services and Goods are treated differently. He has explained it clearly on the backstop thread.
 

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Brexit NO DEAL and Crashing Out are the word framing of Project Fear. There is no such thing in reality.Britain will leave on WTO terms and trade worldwide.
EU is small world thinking and yesterdays man.
The East is rising led by China and its New Silk Roads project.
Get on board or get left behind, history does not wait.
Its also the biggest trading block on the planet ;) lol

btw, China would gladly eat the brits for afters ... even though this hasnt quite sunk with silly little Dumnik Raab yet

but heres the crux of it, even forgetting the EU27 themselves, why would "any" other country give the UK better terms than they already have as part of the 6 times bigger EU block ?

its nonsense isnt it
 


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